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Aura Replication  {W} Enchantment You may play Aura Replication any time you could play an instant. As Aura Replication comes into play, you may choose an enchantment in play. If you do, Aura Replication comes into play as a copy of that enchantment. *** Clone and Sculpting Steel exist, so I figured it was only sensible that there also be a spell that copies an enchantment in play. Although it would have been enough for it to simply copy the spell, I wanted it to playable at instant speed. My reasoning was that enchantments, more often than artifacts or creatures, are redundant in multiples. Playable at instant speed, this serves as costly protection for one's enchantments as well as a means of copying an enchantment that is useful in multiples. One concern I have with this is local enchantments. If I remember how they work, they target when cast, which technically wouldn't work for this. Should I simply have it target the enchantment it is to copy, thus requiring the decision to be made as the spell is being cast and allowing for the card's rules text to deal with the possibility that the spell is a local enchantment (Or can we officially start calling them "Auras" now?) |
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2005, 07:45:18 pm » |
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Current Wording:
Runic Replication
{3}{W}
Enchantment
You may play Runic Replication any time you could play an instant.
As Runic Replication comes into play, you may choose an enchantment in play. If you do, Runic Replication comes into play as a copy of that enchantment. If that enchantment is an Aura, Runic Replication comes into play attached to a permanent to which that Aura could attach.
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« Last Edit: August 06, 2005, 05:36:55 pm by Ephraim »
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2005, 09:02:17 pm » |
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Maybe just make it copy global enchantments? You're right with the local enchantment, targets are declared when the spell is cast. I remember something about them coming into play (like with Academy Rector), and I think you choose the appropriate permanent when it comes into play. Not 100% on that though.
Making this target when it's cast takes away from it being similar to Clone or Sculpting Steal, and makes it so it can be countered upon resolution by removing the targeted enchantment. I say just make it global enchantments or wait until some one can clear up the ruling question.
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2005, 10:40:25 pm » |
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I think if you want it to copy local enchantments, you need to add some clause - either letting them choose a new target, or forcing it to enchant the same thing as what it's copying.
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2005, 10:36:17 am » |
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On the old boards I posted this and I haven't gotten around to re-posting it yet. I remember that there was a similar debate over choosing local enchantmens, which I must admit I do not fully understand, even after reading Section 503 (Copying Objects) of the Comprehensive Rules. Mimic 1U Enchantment As Mimic comes into play, you may choose an enchantment in play. If you do, Mimic comes into play as a copy of that enchantment. I have even made a mock up of this card with cool Stephanie Pui-Mun Law art. |
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2005, 09:11:24 pm » |
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I have updated the wording with something that I think will work. (They've officially switched over to the "Aura" wording now, according to Gatherer.) One small problem I see now is that "Aura Replication" may suggest that this is only for use on "Auras." (ie. local enchantments.)
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2005, 11:43:13 pm » |
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What is an "aura"? *looks at gatherer* Holy crap, that is weird. *upon further relfection* GOD DAMN IT now I have to update the master lists again.  |
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2005, 12:13:41 am » |
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What is an "aura"? *looks at gatherer* Holy crap, that is weird. *upon further relfection* GOD DAMN IT now I have to update the master lists again. LOL. I think Auras are kinda stupid if you ask me. I mean, look at what they did to something like Pacifism. Adding all that unnecessary text... |
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2005, 08:38:57 am » |
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What is an "aura"? *looks at gatherer* Holy crap, that is weird. *upon further relfection* GOD DAMN IT now I have to update the master lists again. LOL. I think Auras are kinda stupid if you ask me. I mean, look at what they did to something like Pacifism. Adding all that unnecessary text... It wasn't unnecessary, though. It is not obvious that a local enchantment targets the permanent it will enchant. This also provides for a mechanism of cleaning up the number of subtypes associated with enchantments (just one now, instead of numerous subtypes.) Finally, it allows them to unify the method in which they describe what a local enchantment may enchant. Betrayal is no longer an oddball. The biggest downside I see is the slightly clunky method by which they have to reword the Oracle text of a card that refers to an "enchant creature" such as Tallowisp. On the other hand, the text of cards such as Serene Heart seems more flavourful, since "local enchantments" stinks of game rules. |
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2005, 07:47:43 pm » |
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2005, 12:59:37 pm » |
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"Aura Replication" is a really bad name for a card that only sometimes replicates Auras. :<
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2005, 07:41:12 pm » |
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Glamour Replication, perhaps?
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2005, 07:47:31 pm » |
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Glamour Replication, perhaps?
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2005, 03:34:15 am » |
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Do you realize that, under the current wording, this could copy an enchantment onto a Kodama of the North Tree? I don't know if you mean for it to be able to do that or not.
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2005, 11:55:17 pm » |
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Can it, andrewpate? I don't mind if it can, but I'm not sure if that's true, considering the "legal target" wording. Nothing can legally target the Kodama.
Anyhow, I'm still looking for names for this card. Would "Runic Replication" be adequate? It doesn't necessarily suggest that it copies enchantments, but it sounds magical and certainly suggests that it copies something.
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2005, 12:21:23 am » |
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That's an ambiguous wording. If you forced it to enchant whatever the Aura is enchanting you'd clean this up but right now I don't know if the rules answer your question or not.
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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2005, 05:40:19 pm » |
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I have updated the wording. In reality, I'm pretty sure that I could leave off the clause about Auras entirely and this would still work (See Enduring Ideal). It wouldn't be intuitive at all, unfortunately. I don't want the aura to come into play attached to the same permanent as the targetted aura. There are plenty of instances where that just wouldn't be useful (Pacifism, for example.) I am going to sit on this card for a while and see if I can come up with something.
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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2005, 04:56:05 pm » |
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You need to update the thread name by the way, but I wouldn't refer to it as Runic Replication because of the cycle of Rune Enchantments. I think you'd be fine with the Enduring Ideal type wording. If you wanted, you could rules/reminder text it as:
You may play Runic Replication any time you could play an instant.
As Runic Replication comes into play, you may choose an enchantment in play. If you do, Runic Replication comes into play as a copy of that enchantment.[/B] (Auras can only attach to a permanant of the appropriate type[/I)
That wording is a little clunkier than I'd like, but it's on a track.
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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2005, 08:08:23 am » |
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