TMD OPEN 7: 10/15/05->10/16/05, Waterbury,CT

[Smmenen]

Ray ray ray ray.


This thing was my idea and now you have ruined it.

I have just been testing your t1 format, and with four balance, the most fun strategies are not viable.  I HIGHLY suggest that you do the post balance restriction.  PLEASE.  No zoo, no LD, all that shit is terrible in the face of four balance/Relic Barrier/Titania's Song.dec. 

Combo is NOT good.  Please. 

What is good is four balance.

Vice and Strip Mine are irrellvant.

With FOur Balance, you'd be stupid to play Vices anywhere but some in your boad and MAYBE two maindeck.  Strip Mine isnt' that big of a deal 

[kl0wn]

...all that shit is terrible in the face of four balance/Relic Barrier/Titania's Song.dec.   

HUUUUUUUUUUH??!?!?

I mean, I can see the application vs. stuff like Mirror Universe, Chaos Orb and Sword of The Ages, but why on earth would you want to make your Relic Barrier into a Grizzly Bear?

You might as well play Channel/Stream of Life.dec

[Hi-Val]

Steve posts this because I got done kicking his ass with a Titania's Balance deck.

Song makes the deck alpha-strike in one turn. You kill their moxes if they have any, and all your Relic Barriers and Howling Mines go in for the kill. It's a Gorilla Shaman and a fast kill rolled into one.

[Smmenen]

You drop song only when the game is entirely locked up and win in a single turn. 

[kl0wn]

But why Relic Barrier?

[NastyNate]

As one of the few who can say they played the game in 94, I can confidently say that relic barrier got lot's of play mainly because of Winter orb. Icy also saw quite a bit of action, because it shut down other artifacts, teamed up with orb to keep people tapped out, and stopped serra angel from making you look stupid. I wish I had though of Titania's Song at the time, because moxen were really the only mana producers that I couldn't deal with.

This would be mad fun. I wonder how many of these cards I still have...

[Juggernaut GO]

I might have to fly back from vegas just to top 8 in another waterbury...

[Hi-Val]

But why Relic Barrier?

The deck runs Howling Mine and Winter Orb, both of which you can Barrier at convenient times to make into 1-sided effects. It also serves to Rishadan Port a mox during an upkeep, hold off a Juggernaut or stop a Factory from attacking or blocking. It's a damned powerful card for the Song deck.

[kl0wn]

I would think Icy would be a far superior card to use in that deck (which is what I did back in the day...took care of the Hermans too), but I guess if you're running the mines and whatnot...

[Jacob Orlove]

I would think Icy would be a far superior card to use in that deck (which is what I did back in the day...took care of the Hermans too), but I guess if you're running the mines and whatnot...

Well, considering it already has 4 Icy, Relic Barriers start to make more sense.

[kl0wn]

I would think Icy would be a far superior card to use in that deck (which is what I did back in the day...took care of the Hermans too), but I guess if you're running the mines and whatnot...

Well, considering it already has 4 Icy, Relic Barriers start to make more sense.

Yes yes. Now that I am aware that there were already 4 Icies in the deck to begin with, it all makes sense now. It should've been referred to as the 4 Balance/Icy/Titania's Song.dec though. Just for clarity.

On a completely different note though, who's going to be man enough (and by man, I of course mean bastard) to run Stasis?

[Kowal]

I actually already have it built.  Just need to find two more bb stasises.

[iamfishman]

I guess its time for another announcement.

On day 1, after Magic Scattegories(approximately 10:00 pm) there will be an attempt at a large sized type 4 torunament.  The prize will be an entire type 4 stack.

That's correct.  Crazy Carl Winter, now in an attempt to make an all foil/pimped type 4 stack is offering up his original type 4 stack as a prize to the winner of said event.  Carl and I originally agreed to make this a free tournament, however, I thought that due to Carl's generosity(that stack is at least $100 worth of card), he should get something in return.  As such, I hope when he reads this he is not offended but the entry fee will be a card from the list of cards Carl still currently needs (see http://www.themanadrain.com/forums/index.php?topic=24105.0) or a meager $1 to help him buy some cards he needs.  This will not completely foil his stack, but I figure it is the least we can do for his generosity.

The tournament will go like this.  We will divide all those playing(i'm hoping we can get like 25-30 or so) into pods of 5 or 6, with the winner from each pod playing in a final table.  Both the first round tables and final table will draft from a random type 4 stack(so people...bring your stacks with you) and the placement will also be random.  We will play by a standardized set of house rules agreed upon ahead of time.  Further rules questions will be handled by myself.  Strict use of passing priority around the table will be encouraged.  Last man standing is the type 4 champ of Waterbury.

Any questions?  I'm sure there will be.

Next annoucnement: Team Competition

[CHA1N5]

Jebus, Ray: you are my hero.

I wasn't sure if I was going to make it to this event, but "T4 Tourney"?  SIGN ME UP!

You might want to instigate some type of signup for people planning to contribute to Carl's Stack with cards... Bob forbid EVERYONE show up with foil Reya or something

[Jacob Orlove]

Will the T4 event be booster, rochester, or rotisserie draft?

Should I bring my Kamigawa stack, or do you want only more "normal" T4 stacks?

Can I request to not play with one of the stupid overpowered stacks? Staff of Domination and Fireball are just dumb.

Also, house rules: how are we agreeing on these? I know there are some fairly extreme differences of opinion on stuff like whether morphs count as spells, etc.

[iamfishman]

@Chains...good idea...if you will be bringing a specific foil, say so in the Crazy Carl Thread(not here).  First dibs apply.

@Jacob...Normal stacks would be appreciated.  Also, I will inspect stacks and cut certain cards from certain stacks prior to the event to make sure they are all fun and powerful while not being too cheesy.

House Rules will be posted here by me within a month of the event.  Why me? At the risk of sounding pompous my house, my rules. Don't worry though...they should be pretty agreeable.

So far I will have a stack and we can actually use Carl's stack...anyone else bringing one we can deffinitly use?

[Kowal]

I want to use Jacob's stack if I get talked in to playing.

[Jacob Orlove]

I want to use Jacob's stack if I get talked in to playing.

That's because my stack is super-awesome.

[Matt]

You know what else would be awesome? Kangaroo Court magic. Have the judges REALLY be judges, and entertain arguments such as "you cant terror a wall of wood; it's a wall and cannot feel fear".

[Komatteru]

You know what else would be awesome? Kangaroo Court magic. Have the judges REALLY be judges, and entertain arguments such as "you cant terror a wall of wood; it's a wall and cannot feel fear".

Oh god.  Kangaroo Court Magic almost always nearly ends in a fistfight.

[kl0wn]

You know what else would be awesome? Kangaroo Court magic. Have the judges REALLY be judges, and entertain arguments such as "you cant terror a wall of wood; it's a wall and cannot feel fear".

I would volunteer to judge that.

[xthexpunisherx]

You know what else would be awesome? Kangaroo Court magic. Have the judges REALLY be judges, and entertain arguments such as "you cant terror a wall of wood; it's a wall and cannot feel fear".

I would volunteer to judge that.

Only if you dress up as Mentok the Mind Taker

[iamfishman]

Final announcement for now...

Team rivalry, a.k.a. Braggin Rights Supreme 2005

Here is how its gonna go down.  Teams of three will agree prior to the event to play as a team and will register(seperate from a deck registration...it will be done on a different sheet of paper).  Each teams cost is $9...$3 per person.  Then, at the end of the tournament, the teams with the highest combined number of match points(top 16 matches-finals count as 3 points per match, just as in the swiss) will win. 

If enough teams enter, there may be a second place prizes or more, but the number of teams entering, and thus the collected entry fees, will determine the prizes.  In the event of a tie for match points, the average opponent match win percentage of the three players on each team will be computed and compared. 

I will be trying to figure out a way to represent on the pairings sheet for each round what players are members of what teams, so teams may view each other team's progress.

So...who's in? Chime in with some trash talking

[Necrologia]

I hate bumping threads, but is there any official announcement regarding Portal at this event? Day 2 only seems to be the most popular choice, but I don't see an actual update on it from Iamfishman himself. Can anyone help me out here?

[orgcandman]

As a post to address Steve's concern, we've been testing 4 balance at Myriad and it is NOT the best deck in 1994 magic. There are two decks that beat it. That's all I can reveal.

[Jacob Orlove]

As a post to address Steve's concern, we've been testing 4 balance at Myriad and it is NOT the best deck in 1994 magic. There are two decks that beat it. That's all I can reveal.

What list are you using? If it's Maysonet's rack/balance, I could understand. Titania/Balance is a lot stronger, though, and I'd be happy to give you a list just to ensure that it's fully tested.

[Cross]

For the teams party of the tourney....

Instead of teams of three, why not let people make as large of a team if they want, or set the team sizes to six or seven. If teams are larger they can run a b-team. 

Then with scoring, you could just add their best three finishes for the team score. The other players don't add to the score but they can displace players on other teams.

That way if someone scrubs it doesn't scrub the whole team. And it solves the problem for people who want to play with more than two other people.

This is how team based sporting events usually run, like skiing or running.

[Smmenen]

As a post to address Steve's concern, we've been testing 4 balance at Myriad and it is NOT the best deck in 1994 magic. There are two decks that beat it. That's all I can reveal.

That doens't address my concerns, that heightens them. 

[iamfishman]

Ok y'all...we could start the talk once more now that we have more definitive information.

With Imperial Seal and Personal Tutor restricted, but Grim Tutor not, should we have portal legal on day 1?

Discuss.

I'll look carefully at poll results and comments made here and make a final descion by the middle of the coming week(though I think no matter what is decided, someone will be unhappy).

(Keep in mind, portal will be legal on day 2.  That is already set in stone.)

[Whatever Works]

Portal should be allowed... There is plenty and I mean PLENTY of time to prepare...

I have already planned a board to beat combo (if i am not playing it), and its not like combo is a beast anyway...

Waterbury is the perfect place for the new metagame to take shape, and if combo is to good then people will quickly be able to start complaining (type 1's version of adjusting), and get the metagame fixed/corrected.

However, how can anyone complain with this much time to prepare???