TMD OPEN 7: 10/15/05->10/16/05, Waterbury,CT

[Kowal]

Nobody has tested portal combo (or portal anything else) in a REAL tournament setting.  While I doubt that anything particularly badass will develop, I am aware the possibility exists, and I would rather this sort of thing not use Waterbury as its guinea pig.

Especially since the DCI doesn't think it should be played yet either.

I'm all for portal on day two--  It's still going to be a 50+ person event, so suck it up and deal.

[Jacob Orlove]

I'd vote for portal on Day 2 only, simply because that's when it'd normally be legal. We could have been playing with portal at proxy events since the DCI announced that it would be legal, but we haven't. The exact same logic and legitimacy suggests that portal should not be legal on the 19th.

Also, INWO on day 2! Who is interested?

[iamfishman]

Well...here is the official word.

No Portal on Day 1

Yes Portal on Day 2

[iamfishman]

If you plan on staying at the marriott, a room rate is now set up.

Call the Marriott and request a reservation under the Magic Tournament Room Rate.

Remember, you must have at least one adult in your party.

If you have any troubles, please let me know, and I'll do what I can to help.

[iamfishman]

Most recent Bye List
(If I have forgotten you, please let me know)

Previous Winner-Jason Zheng
Previous Day 2 Winner-Jared Mann

Sept 11 Double Midnight Tourney-Ryan Durney

Option of getting a bye for $10:
Chad Behre(Myriad Games August 13)
Matt Mcnally(Beanie Exchange August 28)
John Longo(Beanie Exchange August 28)
Roland Chang(Gencon Vintage Champs August 20)
Andy Probasco(Gencon Vintage Champs August 20)
Mat Endress(Gencon Vintage Champs August 20)
Hale Simon(Gencon Vintage Champs August 20)
Brian Demars(Gencon Vintage Champs August 20)
Josh Frankelin(Gencon Vintage Champs August 20)
Cap'n Slappy Chitturi(Gencon Vintage Champs August 20)
Kurt Wallis(Gencon Vintage Champs August 20)
Bob Yu(Gencon Vintage Prelim August 19)
Lou Christopher(Gencon Vintage Prelim August 19)
Justin Droba(Gencon Vintage 1PM August 18)
Vroman(SCG Chicago July 30)
Matt Morrison(SCG Chicago July 30)
Roland Chang(SCG Chicago July 30)
Jim Erlinger(SCG Chicago July 30)
Jesse Pinchot(SCG Virginia Sept 25)
Justin Timoney(SCG Virgina Sept 25)

[MarkPharaoh]

I'm curious, does any T1 players that will be attending draft at all?  I had a pretty fun time at my First Waterbury last time and at the last min split a room with Team Goat and a few Meandeckers for day2.  On the main event I dropped at 3-2-1 just to do some side events and ended up sitting on my hands for most of the night because no one drafts

[iamfishman]

There have been some people asking me if, because portal is legal for Day 2 only(despite it not becoming DCI legal until Oct 20) if we would also have Ravnica in the day 2 tourney.

It is my opinion that, since we are using day 2 to promo the post-0ct 20 format, we minds as well allow Ravnica.

If anyone has any strong reasons why this should not be, please reply.

So in summation:
Day 1: NO portal or Ravnica
Day 2: Portal and Ravnica both legal

[iamfishman]

WANTED: TMD OPEN Full-Time Day 1 Staff Member
Three positions with two positions currently filled(Jacob Orlove, Aaron Rubinslein)

Hours: 9:00 am - 11:00 pm Day 1

Compensation: Official TMD Open Play Mat(1 of only 12 ever made...8 for top 16, 3 for Full-time staff members, 1 for me , Unlimited Food and Drink throughout the day.

General Description:

9:00am – 10:00am: Arrive at Marriott.  Assist in the setting up of remaining items to be set up(Computer, feature match cameras, etc.)

10:00am – 11:00am: Registration(One person will check decks for extra proxies, one person(me?) will collect money for entry +extra proxies, one person will enter names into computer, one person will collect money for team sign ups)

11:00am – 9:00pm: During tournament(one person at all times will be stationed by snacks and soda, one person will be at computer to input match results, one person will be needed to pass out match result slips, post pairings, make sure feature match filming is taking place, and perform a random deck check)

12:00 pm/2:00pm/4:00pm/6:00 pm: Assist in the distribution of pizza

9:00pm – 11:00pm: After the swiss rounds of event assist in the running of the top 16 with random deck checks and assistance in judging matches and/or assistance running the Type 4 Tournament and Magic Scattegeories

Other tasks that come up during the day(helping keep room clean, answering rules questions, etc)

Work experience requirements:
•   Previous experience in running or assisting the operation of a type one magic tournament.
•   Previous experience judging a type one magic tournament

Education Requirements
•   Knowledge of how to read and interpret DCI Floor Rules(will be available at event)
•   Knowledge of how to read and interpret Magic Comprehensive Rules(will be available at event)
•   Knowledge of the operation and uses of DCI Reporter

All interested people should PM me.  Requirements can be waived under certain circumstances.

[iamfishman]

Sorry for the double post but this is of a different topic than my last post:

Just wanted to mention to everbody about the Type 4 tourney at about 11:00 pm on Day 1.

This is the first ever Type 4 Championship.  It is a meager $1 (or some card off Crazy Carl's Type 4 Need List) to enter and the prize is AN ENTIRE FREAKIN TYPE 4 STACK.

Here are the house rules we will use as of now.  PM me any suggestions.

Type 4 House Rules

1.) NO Land of any kind in play.  In other words, Solkanar the Swamp King is blockable.

2.) Any spell with any kind of alternate casting cost can be played without it counting as your spell per turn, and without having to pay the ACC.  True, this makes some cards like FOW even better, but at the same time it allows us to play with Foil and Submerge.  This rule includes Bringers, Avatars, Fist of Suns, Spelljack, and Grinning Totem among others.  Morphs, however, count as your spell per turn.

3.) Unglued and Unhinged are legal. (Don’t worry, I will do the best judging job I can.

4.) Gotcha cards from Unhinged may only be played three times and only Gotchaed two times.

5.) Starting life total is 20. 

6.) Starting hand size is 5.

7.) There is no maximum hand size.

8.) Defensive abilities win in battles of infinity vs. infinity.  If there is no clearly defined defensive ability, whoever activated the ability (or “initiated the fightâ€?)first loses.

9.) Players may split an attack phase among any number of players.

10.) When a player is eliminated all effects of that player cease to be and cards stolen from that player are returned.

11.) With the exception of the rules above, cards are played as they read.(no sharpie jobs take precedent.)

[ViRidIAnLoNGBoW]

11.) With the exception of the rules above, cards are played as they read.(no sharpie jobs take precedent.)

Does this rule include Richard Garfield altered cards? And will Richard Garfield altered cards be legal for the 1994 tournament?

IE: my boss has a playset of Beta Serra Angels altered to "not be affected by summoning sickness"

[iamfishman]

Unfortunately even the mighty pen of Mr. Garfield is not enough to make your Serras crappier.

They would have full powers in the Sept 94 event.

Ray

[iamfishman]

For anyone who wants to come prepared with their decklist already filled out:

http://home.ripway.com/2005-1/238470/deckreg.doc

[Bulls on Parade]

WANTED: TMD OPEN Full-Time Day 1 Staff Member
Three positions with two positions currently filled(Jacob Orlove, Aaron Rubinslein)

Hours: 9:00 am - 11:00 pm Day 1

Compensation: Official TMD Open Play Mat(1 of only 12 ever made...8 for top 16, 3 for Full-time staff members, 1 for me , Unlimited Food and Drink throughout the day.

General Description:

9:00am – 10:00am: Arrive at Marriott.  Assist in the setting up of remaining items to be set up(Computer, feature match cameras, etc.)

10:00am – 11:00am: Registration(One person will check decks for extra proxies, one person(me?) will collect money for entry +extra proxies, one person will enter names into computer, one person will collect money for team sign ups)

11:00am – 9:00pm: During tournament(one person at all times will be stationed by snacks and soda, one person will be at computer to input match results, one person will be needed to pass out match result slips, post pairings, make sure feature match filming is taking place, and perform a random deck check)

12:00 pm/2:00pm/4:00pm/6:00 pm: Assist in the distribution of pizza

9:00pm – 11:00pm: After the swiss rounds of event assist in the running of the top 16 with random deck checks and assistance in judging matches and/or assistance running the Type 4 Tournament and Magic Scattegeories

Other tasks that come up during the day(helping keep room clean, answering rules questions, etc)

Work experience requirements:
•   Previous experience in running or assisting the operation of a type one magic tournament.
•   Previous experience judging a type one magic tournament

Education Requirements
•   Knowledge of how to read and interpret DCI Floor Rules(will be available at event)
•   Knowledge of how to read and interpret Magic Comprehensive Rules(will be available at event)
•   Knowledge of the operation and uses of DCI Reporter

All interested people should PM me.  Requirements can be waived under certain circumstances.

I'd be so down to do this if it weren't for the judging part. I think I'm too rusty to try to help judge an event, anything else I can do?

[Nefarias]

2.) Any spell with any kind of alternate casting cost can be played without it counting as your spell per turn, and without having to pay the ACC.  True, this makes some cards like FOW even better, but at the same time it allows us to play with Foil and Submerge.  This rule includes Bringers, Avatars, Fist of Suns, Spelljack, and Grinning Totem among others.  Morphs, however, count as your spell per turn.

I was wondering if you could clarify exactly what cards fall under the Grinning Totem veil for free-ness. I imagine Spelljacked spells are free, then? What about Panoptic Mirror and Isochron Scepter spells? Planeswalker's Mischeif? Reversal of Fortune?

Avatars---omg! Do you have to meet the requirement at least? Will any cost reduced spell be free? Like Affinity cards? If I have Nightscape Familar out, are all my red spells and blue spells free? Convoke spells? etc. etc. etc.?

I think that, while that makes it more fun and broken, it also makes it less streamlined. What my group has always used is anything that actually uses the phrase "rather than" in its Oracle wording, which covers things like the Bringers and Fist of Suns, Alliances and Masques pitch cards, and all those Masque block free spells (and North Star---so good!).

11.) With the exception of the rules above, cards are played as they read.(no sharpie jobs take precedent.)

So will things like Quanar be banned, played as is, or are they special exceptions?(Incidently, I prefer it as is.)

Also, for people bringing the decks, are you allowing proxies? I'm not talking about Decree of the Creator and stuff, but just things like Chaos Orb that the stack owner may not have.

[Baron.Pocket]

Format - Type One with TEN proxies+$1 per extra proxy(15 proxies minimum)

Probably an error while typing cause I doubt players want to play with at least 15 proxies. 

[lizzish]

Carl tells me to post that he will be VERY SAD if Horobi's Whisper does not work. Also, Quanar restriction please?


-Liz (who is Carl's secretary for the day)

[Jacob Orlove]

Ray, my stack has some slightly different rules, if that's okay. Specifically:

6.) Starting hand size of 7.
11.) Sharpie jobs on the cards override the actual wording (Horobi's Whisper, Torrent of Stone, Genju of the Realm, Akuta Born of Ash, and I think a couple others).

I'll defer to you on the ACC rules--normally, I make people pay the alt cost to get the card for free, but it's not a big deal.

I basically use the sharpie plan to obviate any land requirements, without giving people infinite untouchable lands or whatever is in vogue at the moment.

[iamfishman]

Ok...time for a reply

@Nef...I messed up in reading Grinning Totem...for the Totem at least that spell WOULD count as your one per turn.

Also I think it seems in the flavor of type 4 to say Panoptic Mirror and Scepter spells WOULD NOT count as your spell per turn.

Forgive me for the confusion...this is the first time anyone has everyone really tried to unify type 4 house rules for an event.

I guess to make a clear distinction, if the card says "instead of paying the casting cost" or "costs ____ less to play" or "play the copy" then it DOES NOT count as your spell.  Otherwise it does.

How does this sound to everyone?

@Baron...thanks for pointing that out...it has been fixed.

@Liz and Jacob...My apologies but if we are gonna use some kind of unified rules we must make them consistant throughout the tournament.  I understand that this seems somewhat contradictory to the fact that we will use different stacks at different tables, but having many identical stacks is a constraint that would be very difficult to work around.

Ray

[Jacob Orlove]

Okay, I'll change the cards in my stack then.

[CrazyCarl]

Goodbye Quanar

[iamfishman]

Yes, I don't want to start banning certain cards (Cough * Quanar * Cough)

However, I would encourage anyone whose stack ends up being used to remove any overly broken cards before using the stack (Cough * Quanar * Cough).

There is really only 1 degenerate card  that I could think of though.  Hmm...what is it?

[Jacob Orlove]

Well, W/W/W/W/W is infinite life, but there are stacks that run better ways to get infinitely life than that anyway.

There are utterly stupid cards that don't have errata but shouldn't be played anyway, though. That depends a bit on your personal taste, unfortunately. I know that I don't want to play a stack that has Gamerobber or Fireball or Staff of Domination or the like, but for some reason a lot of people love to play with those cards.

I'll probably be judging, but I recommend my stack if you want to explore a much less stupid Type 4 environment, with actual creature combat!

[JACO]

Yes, I don't want to start banning certain cards (Cough * Quanar * Cough)

However, I would encourage anyone whose stacked ends up being used to remove any overly broken cards before using the stack (Cough * Quanar * Cough).

There is really only 1 degenerate card  that I could think of though.  Hmm...what is it?

Well, assuming you're not playing infinite bullshit (Fireball, W/W/W/W, etc.) and you're not playing Door to Nothingness, the most broken cards have actually been Yawgmoth's Agenda, Holistic Wisdom, and Undead Gladiator. These are way more broken than Memnarch, Planar Portal, and Mischievous Quanar if you are playing a lot of global removal in your stack. I'm sure this is open to argument, but in my stack this isn't even close. And I have a very very balanced stack.

[Jacob Orlove]

Oh, he might mean Flash of Insight for the broken without courtesy errata thing.

Agenda, Wisdom, and the like are pretty good, but they're about one level below the various cards that essentially read "0: draw a card", especially with the no hand size rule. I've seen Staff of Domination, Oath of Lim-Dul, and Treasure Trove in various stacks, and they are obviously ridiculous. Compulsion, Aerial Caravan and Soothsaying are also better than Agenda et al, but not as good as the really egregious stuff.

[iamfishman]

On an unrelated note:

Not like anyone will notice, but I actually need to change the last place prizes form 3 Foreign Tormet Boosters to "A playset of Kamigawa Block and a Core Set booster, since I ran out of Foreign Stuff

Also, Bye List Updated.

[iamfishman]

Eeeeh, screw the double post...It's my thread and this one is worth it.

There will be prizes based on attendance for the team rivalry challenge, but also...

I just decided that we need to have a trophy for something like this.  Not just any trophy...but a trophy that represents 3 months of bragging rights.  The trophy, unfortunately, will not be able to be awarded to the winners on the day of Waterbury(since I want to engrave the winner's names), but will be given to the winning team shortly after.

That team can then, and is encouraged to, show off the trophy at any event they go to in the 3 months or so leading up to the next Waterbury.  At the following Waterbury, they can carry it around with a smug look, until either they are dethroned, or they defend their title. (after which they can still carry their trophy, but with less effect.)

One week til Waterbury...let's hear some trash talking.

[Methuselahn]

As far as the trophy goes, you can engrave it as Team Reflection or noitcelfeR maeT, either is acceptable.  Sans serif typeset is preferred.

[Jank Golem]

I am exicted to be attending what will be my first Waterbury. I do have a quick question, are there any proxy making rules/guidlines I should follow? Anyway looking forward to my first Waterbury.

[iamfishman]

I am exicted to be attending what will be my first Waterbury. I do have a quick question, are there any proxy making rules/guidlines I should follow? Anyway looking forward to my first Waterbury.

Simply put, the card should not be distunguishable from a regular card in a sleeve except for the face.  This means no back markings, no cards backwards in sleeves, no abnormal thickness of papers in sleeves, no papers falling out of sleeves, etc.

Proxies must have all pertinent info written on them: Card Name, Casting Cost, Text, Power/Toughness, Etc

Best bet is to get some revised plains(they are plenty light), sharpie the front with all the info, and draw a quick sketch of the picture.  This will minimize your chance of having an inappropriate proxy.

If there is still doubt, ask at Waterbury when registering your deck.