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Imperial Bruiser
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Creature - Human Guard
All the king's visitors must first pay a visit to him.
3/3
With stupid vanilla 2/2 legends running around I wondered about a jank card like this. Maybe it should be a 3/2 because 3/3s are pretty stupid. Whatcha think?
Current wording:
Savannah Stalkers
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Creature - Cat
Revered by the other lions for their superior strength. Prized by hunters for their silvery mane. Feared by anything with a heartbeat.
3/3
EDIT: Changed the name/creature type entirely b/c I'm tired of HUMANS.
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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2005, 01:53:24 pm » |
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WW for 3 is pretty nuts. In fact, there's a pretty established tradition of WW getting you a 2/2 with some good abilities. Now, you might be able to get a 3/3 for WW, but it would probably need a minor drawback.
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2005, 02:42:52 pm » |
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Or make it just 3/2. Still dies to White Knight after all, and White Knight also has Pro Black.
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2005, 04:51:46 pm » |
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Yeah, 3/2 might be a bit safer. Good white creatures are usually hardy but not because of their fat. That's the question I'm asking, I guess; is it appropriate for White to get a Hill Giant for WW?
Also I had Savannah Lions and Isamaru creatures in mind when I was makin g this card. I'm kind of tired of creatures always being Human _______s. Maybe I'll make this another Cat so that it's not another boring Human. Stupid Humans.
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2005, 07:41:36 pm » |
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I don't think this card is possible. Granted, I may be alone in this opinion, but I think that Elvish Warrior (2/3 for GG) is the best vanila creature in existance. A strictly better creature (3/3) or even a mostly better creature (3/2) for WW is not feasible, in my opinion. edit: I also wanted to point out that 3/3 is more midsize than weenie. That puts it into green's domain. The appropriate cost for a 3/3 creature, then, is 1GG. Black frequently gets them for 2B and a drawback. White can do the same, in my opinion. For example, see Longsuffering Cavalier, a card I created. |
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2005, 10:36:55 am » |
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It's hard to call a 3/2 much better than a 2/3. One looks better under Engineered Plague, or Infest for that matter. Also, that GG 2/3 guy is an Elf which makes it about 1007 times better than a Cat, because it goes in Elf.dec and has a huge tribe behind it.
I can concede that a 3/3 is too mighty; White tends to effectively jump the gap from 2/2s with combat tricks to big flying Angels, and the CMCs of the 'good cards' reflect that. How would one describe a 3/x for WW then, what drawbacks are appropriate?
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2005, 11:55:00 am » |
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Really, white shouldn't be getting a 3/x for two mana under almost any circumstances. The closest you can get is A 2/2 with Bushido, but a white 2-drop shouldn't put the opponent on a seven turn clock.
However, if you simply must make it a 3/x...giving it "last strike" (cards blocking or blocked by this get first strike) would be a fair drawback. It can also benegated with white's easy access to toughness enhancers, so it plays well with the color.
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2005, 12:22:08 pm » |
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White creatures very, very rarely have drawbacks, though.
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2005, 01:44:28 pm » |
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Hmm. What if I change the premise of the card a little bit.
CARDNAME
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Creature - Meh?
-this- has toughness equal to the number of other creatures you control.
3/*
This is hugely lame now, but is it appropriate?
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2005, 05:43:33 am » |
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WW
2/2
~This~ gets +1/0 when attacking
~This~ gets 0/+1 when blocking
That is pretty much as good as a 2CC creature can get with no drawback. (Note that there are some great creatures that cost WW but few deal 3 damage as well as the above)
Having said that Wicked Akuba hasn't proven to be as strong as it looked.
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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2005, 06:53:42 am » |
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3/1 would be fine, but 3/2 is pushing it.
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2005, 09:22:20 pm » |
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Let's just make it a 3/3 for WW. Wizards likes to "push" white weenie, so we might as well do the same.
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2005, 09:31:44 pm » |
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3/3 isn't a weenie, though. That's treading on green's toes. Red, black, and blue, get 4cc 3/3's for 4 or 3-with-a-penalty. Green is the colour that gets a 3/3 for 3 with no penalty. I am adamently against giving it to white for 2 mana on the grounds that it's comparable to other "weenie" creatures. +1/+1 may be similar in power to protection from black + bushido 1, but it isn't white. It's green.
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2005, 11:06:40 pm » |
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We could do 3/3 for  {G} though. |
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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2005, 11:39:24 pm » |
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We could do 3/3 for {G} though. Agreed. That's a card I would get behind. |
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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2005, 01:06:46 am » |
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I agree that this could be a 3/3 for WG. If it is White, I don't think it should be bigger than I've suggested above - a 2/2 that is a 3/2 on attack and a 2/3 on defence (which after all are as big as any colour has ever had without any drawback).
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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2005, 10:08:52 pm » |
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I agree that this could be a 3/3 for WG. Watchwolf
Creature – Wolf, WG
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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2005, 08:53:00 am » |
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Heh. They stole some other ideas from us too!
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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2005, 12:36:24 pm » |
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Heh. They stole some other ideas from us too!
To be fair, we steal lots of ideas from them. You know, like designing Magic cards. It's not "stealing" anyhow, remember? We want them to um... utilize our design products to strategically leverage the creativity of the end user base. |
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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2005, 02:30:55 pm » |
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Of course they don't use our ideas, officially Wizards don't read this forum for fear of legal action. And Bush should be proud of the response to Katrina. And that Federer guy isn't much of a tennis player.
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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2005, 04:02:29 pm » |
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well in light of the WG 3/3 i think it stands to reason 3/3 for WW isnt doable. Lets look at the flavor of white, it is law enforcment really- sometimes they need brutes to enforce the law, not bullys but someone to have a final word or to put down a tough criminal.
they also have cats, which is what this card was changed to, so what about some kind of cat guard concept? perhaps a 2/1 double strike when attacking and first strike when blocking? makes it fierce and fast, but still has a weakness in combat.
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« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2005, 04:51:46 pm » |
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Silvenail, I really like that idea. Although white doesn't really need more 2/2 creatures for {W}, this would be really nice and very white in flavour: Ornery Constable {W} Creature -- <Race> Magistrate 2/2 Whenever Ornery Constable blocks, it gains double strike until end of turn. |
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« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2005, 11:15:53 pm » |
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That's pretty cool, actually. Not really good, though.
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« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2005, 11:30:56 pm » |
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That's pretty cool, actually. Not really good, though.
Giving it vigilance is the easy way of making it better. To be a little more moderate, it could be given an ability that allows it to untap under some predefined circumstances (being attacked by a black or red creature, for example.) |
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« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2005, 02:58:34 pm » |
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perhaps a 2/2 double strike with an upkeep of some kind.
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« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2005, 03:07:23 pm » |
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Perhaps a 1/1 doublestrike is more correct for WW. Even that is sick with Bonesplitter let alone Jittle.
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« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2005, 03:33:21 pm » |
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1/2 doublestrike for RW appears in Ravnica.
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« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2005, 04:17:00 pm » |
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well that settles it the WW casting cost is just too damned crowded  what about a 1/1 double strike that gets +1/+1 when attacking? Alternatly we could do a 1WW 3/3 with that Ravnica ablity that reduces its CC. |
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« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2005, 11:03:54 pm » |
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Everyone should note: Ravinca contains a 3/3 vanilla Wolf for GW.
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« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2005, 11:19:45 pm » |
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Everyone should note: Ravinca contains a 3/3 vanilla Wolf for GW.
Actually, it was already mentioned a few posts up. |
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