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« on: September 16, 2005, 08:09:55 pm » |
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Revised Decklist[/u] Playing in a 10 or less proxy environment.
Combo - 11 4 Replenish 4 Opalescence 3 Squee, Goblin Babob
Draw/Discard Engine - 9 4 Bazaar of Baghdad 4 Attunement 1 Frantic Search
Control- 19 4 Circular Logic 3 Orim's Chant 3 Aura of Silence 4 Parallax Wave 4 Parallax Tide
Mana base- 22 4 Tundra 1 Mana Crypt 5 Island 5 Plains 4 Flooded Strand 1 Black Lotus 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Sapphire
Sideboard 3 Tormod's Crypt 4 Stifle 3 Null Rod 2 Energy Flux 3 Cursed Totem
I've been doing very well against most decks in MWS, my current play testing zone. I realize that MWS and the amount of time I've had with this deck is really indicative of nothing. I've probably only played about 60 games with it. Anyhow, here's what I've got so far. Matchups have gone roughly like this so far:
TPS- 50/50 win ratio. If they don't kill me first turn, Circular Logic, Aura of Silence, and Null Rod/Tormod's (2nd game) will seal the win. I counter their Yawmoth's Will, because I find that it's the most opputune time to deal with the threat the deck presents. By the time Tendrils is out, discarded counterspells of all kinds get in my way. Then again, I'm rather vulnerable first and secnd turn, which is probably the single largest problem with this deck.
Stax- 40/60 win ratio. Against good stax I'm pretty much stuck on countering goblins and dropping totems, then protecting the totems. It's fairly reliable, but the first game is almost always a loss. I've found that IF, and the if is very large here, I can drop a grinning totem and counter a few welders, or even remove their graveyard with Tormod's, I can do decently, but that's still not a favorable ratio. I'm having less trouble now that I've got Tormod's and Totem in my SB.
White aggro - 60+/40- win ratio. Not as fast as goblins and easy to counter and slow down, these decks aren't REALLY a problem.
Goblin aggro (not sligh) - 60+/40- win ratio. Parallaxes and an early Replenish or even hardcasted Parallaxes with Orim's to back me up mean these decks don't do that well either.
Sligh - 40/60 win ratio. A well crafted Sligh is quite a threat, becase the threats come out early on and there is no one big thing to counter nor a way to prevent the direct damage. I was thinking about Chalices or Spheres of Resistance against them, but I haven't tested them yet.
Fish - 20/80 win ratio. This is hell for my deck, I don't know how to combat Fish at all...it's really embarassing actually. I've only beaten Fish when the players I was facing drew terribly and mulliganed at least once while I drew excellently. I really need some help in this department.
Oath and variants - 50/50 win ratio. All of the Oath decks I've seen are good and fast, but are very susceptible to Circular Logic and Aura of Silence with Orim's slowing them down. Those three together are not uncommon in my main deck. It seems like against Oath it's entirely hand dependent. If I replenish before them, I win. If I parallax their Forbidden Orchards, I win. If they can drop a threat, they win.
Reanimator - 65/35 win ratio. This plays very similar to Oath in terms of the race to win cards, but generally they're a little slower and a little weaker, meaning my % of wins goes up considerably.
Dragon- 70 - 30 win ratio. Aura of Silence on Animate dead is one dead dragon deck. 'Nuff said.
Fast artifact deck (whose name I'm unsure of) - 70-30 win ratio. Aura of silence comes out, they lose.
In terms of my deck's weaknesses, I'd say that being so easily exploited by Tormod's and Meddling Mage is my single largest problem. Anyhow, any help you could offer I'd appreciate.
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2005, 12:47:44 am » |
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Form of the dragon also seems like a nice addition.
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2005, 04:05:38 am » |
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I don't have a lot of time right now so I'll post some quick notes: -Tutor = restricted -Intuition could be quite good in this deck -Take a look at the enchantments you play, I think play Forms is just a better gameplan because you have more open slots for other cards like FoW. Take a look at the Leviat deck http://www.themanadrain.com/forums/index.php?topic=22175.0, the deck also uses Replenish so maybe you can get some ideas for your own deck.
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2005, 06:26:18 am » |
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Hermit druid+crop rotation is another gameplan, much faster and more cool. 
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2005, 04:10:41 pm » |
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If you can play 10+ proxies (which if you're across the pond i doubt) you should give Hugo Van Dijke's "Leviat.Dec" a chance
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2005, 04:44:30 pm » |
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I didn't see this recommended, but if it has been, forgive me (I only mean good intentions). Have you considered Bazaar of Baghdad? I saw a nifty Replenish deck in the Morphling.de t8 a couple of weeks ago that worked with the Bazaar engine. Here's the link: http://www.morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=273Deck #4 Best of luck!
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2005, 05:14:07 pm » |
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His Leviat deck could buy my condo.
Anyhow, here's a revised decklist:
Combo - 12 4 Replenish 2 Pandemonium 4 Opalescence 2 In the Web of War
Draw/Discard Engine - 14 2 Bazaar 4 Attunement 4 Careful Study 1 Frantic Search 1 Mystic Tutor 2 Brainstorm
Control- 16 2 Wrath of God 4 Force of Will 3 Seal of Removal 2 Seal of Cleansing 4 Parallax Wave 1 Balance
Mana base- 18 4 Tundra 1 Lotus Petal 1 Chrome Mox 1 Mana Crypt 4 Island 3 Plains 4 Flooded Strand
Sideboard 3 Miscalculation 3 Swords to Plowshares 3 Tanglewire 2 Seal of Cleansing 2 Wrath of God 2 Disenchant
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2005, 01:24:45 pm » |
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Why is it that you only run 2 bazaars? You should cut 2 attunement for the other two bazaars. As for control, you don't need that much. cut 2 more attunement for 2 brainstorm. this deck also needs squee and intuition.
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I don't have any fast mana because Chalice for 0 takes them out. It's really obvious to the elite magic community that you should try to play around Chalice. Anyone who doesn't is dumb. Moxes are really overrated anyway. I have lands that are alot better. And come on, LOTUS KILLS ITSELF. How am I supposed to win the permanent race against Stax when LOTUS KILLS ITSELF???
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2005, 02:53:39 pm » |
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What does Sqee do for the deck?
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2005, 03:03:19 pm » |
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What does Sqee do for the deck?
Squee makes sure you're Bazaars and Attunements work for you, by providing renewable discard-able cards every turn.
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On another note, while Ancestral is clearly very very good, having it in your opening is hand is not. - AmbivalentDuck
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2005, 06:13:00 pm » |
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Hahaha. I get it now. Think 3 is good?
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2005, 06:23:25 pm » |
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not really. 4 is necessary. completely necessary. usually you only flip over 1 in the early game, and you really want to overturn as many as possible.
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Unrestrict: Gush, Flash, Frantic search, fact or fiction (probably), and burning wish if it doesn't suck now.
this may be the last time you hear the boogie song.
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2005, 06:32:22 pm » |
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Gotcha. Could you look at my main and tell me what needs to go? I really am not sure what I can drop for it.
Edit: I love your sig.
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2005, 02:32:29 am » |
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Orim's, Attunement, Bazaar, and Circular logic have let me power through replenish after replenish.
This deck is doing very nicely =)
Edit: I haven't lost since I posted this =)
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2005, 09:38:31 pm » |
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Updated significantly and added too largely.
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