B/W Fish

[magus888]

I've been working on a deck that could combat the current metagame. I have come up with and successfully playtested the following deck list.

Artifacts:
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Black Lotus
3 Null Rod

Creatures:
4 Carnophage
4 Mesmeric Fiend
4 Dark Confidant
4 Savannah Lion
1 Isamaru, Hound of Konda

Spells:
4 Dark Ritual
4 Duress
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Yawgmoth's Will
4 Suppression Field
2 Swords to Plowshares

Lands:
1 Strip Mine
4 Scrubland
5 Plains
10Swamps

Sideboard:
3 Cremate
3 Disenchant
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Null Rod
4 Plague Spitter
2 Diabolic Edict

Matchups:

Slaver: This one is greatly in your favor. Null Rod and Field are working full speed ahead on this one. With Rituals 2 moxen and a lotus you can usually bring Null Rod into play first turn. Null rod hoses their Slaver lock, and Field stops their Welder from being broken. Then just swing away with all your beatsticks. While playtesting, B/W fish won 9/10 games.

Stax: What was said in the Slaver match up also applies here. Field stops their Cruci-lock and null rod stops their fast mana. This match up is a little harder since some variants can bring out big nasty creatures, but swords should take care of that. 7/10

Dragon: Game one is near impossible since they can simply roll over you. The only way you should expect to win this one is if you can rip cards from their hand very quickly. Game two/three the sideboard should annihilate their combo. 6/10

Fish: Null Rod and Field stops Vial/Jitte based builds. More often than not, you can bring out more beats much quicker they can. 6/10

Gifts: Against control decks just go all out full aggro and you should win. 8/10   

[Dralock]

Though the idea is quite novel, a few notes:

Supression field does not stop crucible locks. Neither crucible of worlds nor smokestack have activated abilities.

Just because you go aggro does NOT mean you can beat heavy control decks such as gifts or even MUC.

3 Swords should be main to combat dragon. The fields are excellent here to take out bazaars and compulsion. I don't see how this is a bad matchup.

I like supression field as it hoses yawgmoth's bargain, but other than that you have no ability to even slow TPS down.

Gifts can go off without you giving it mana. Duressing and fiending their hand is your ownly recourse. I don't like this idea, and believe more control should be added to combat a situation that a control deck can just roll you.

Wasteland has a very valuable place in fish, whatever colors you use. Null rod is meh if it isn't backed up by mana disruption. I highly recommend running four.

[magus888]

Field can stop wasteland!

[Disburden]

Field can stop wasteland!

And Strip mine, all fetchlands, Welder, Moxen, and pretty much everything else in the format :shock:

[andrewpate]

Actually, not Moxen.  Suppression Field only affects non-mana abilities.

@Dralock
Yeah, more Swords to Plowshares should definitely be maindeck.  Just about everything has something worth Swordsing and against a lot of decks it's gold.  As to Field and Crucible of Worlds, it's true that the Crucible+Smokestack with one counter "lock" is fine, but I'm fairly certain that magus888 was referring to the Strip Mine+Crucible lock. 

[magus888]

Yes, I was.

[Dralock]

Field can stop wasteland!

Ok, so you are stopping the least potent part of the deck. Wow. You have no artifact removal, so you are screwed as soon as they lay down a smokestack.

[Disburden]

Field can stop wasteland!

Ok, so you are stopping the least potent part of the deck. Wow. You have no artifact removal, so you are screwed as soon as they lay down a smokestack.

I'm guessing the three disenchant in the sideboard is for Stax type matcups and Oath. I wouldn't say that is a potent answer against Stax though, but also keep in mind this is a starting list and should be used to be improved. I think four disenchants are needed. Maybe try Seals too.

I would also take out the 4th field for the 3rd swords to plowshares maindecked, drawing two fields can suck.

About Suppression Field: I think stax is going to try to run this card itself once it is legal (5cc welderless versions) since I have even been testing this in stax myself, I'm sure tons of other people are. Field is amazing against all sorts of decks, but to say it's just for the stax matchup might be a little bit short of the aim. The card is in the deck to hate a lot of things, or should at least be used that way. Not just against Stax, which is why it is a maindecked card, not a SB card.

[Moxlotus]

drawing two fields can suck

Why?  They stack.

This thing looks like it would get rolled by Stax.  You say that Null Rod shuts down their artifact mana, but SoR reams aggro.  You mention StP would be good in the match, but any smart Stax player will play Chalice for 1 against you-shutting down a huge chunk of your deck, including many of your creatures.  As was said, a Smokestack (assuming they have a chalice or sphere to slow you down) should wipe your board before you kill them with with your shitty creatures.

Workshop aggro has bigger guys than you and should be able to steamroll your creatures while slowing you down with random lock components and having a draw engine that doesn't damage them.

[magus888]

I've been thinking about putting seals in. I can drop one early instead of waiting for them to play an artifact. I was also thinking about planar void.

Can anyone else find better creatures? I thought the ones I chose worked well in playtesting. Can I remove land for spells such as StP since most of my spells are 1cc and 2cc?

[silvernail]

well negators are faster than all of your creatures, and id replace the carnophages with them. you could perhaps run chains of mephistepholes (sp?) to combat TPS or maybe rule of law is better there. I would run Jittes sb if you arent, they could help vs fish. also once the full ravnica block is out you might get some b/w cards that are good so be on the look out later next year.

[Fubar]

True believer keeps showing his merit as a white weenie.  Sarcomancy?  Mother of runes to save the Dark confidant,  boy does that guy ever push a low curve.  Kataki war wage should be in the board.   Planar void is also an amazing sideboard card, i'll guess you side out will.  How about vampiric instead of consultation? Is vindicate too high of a cost?

[AnarchyB52]

spectral lynx was real hot back in T2 so was Verdict (gerrards) and amazing discard card which magicly gives you life dont know if its good in the deck though.
whats that 5/3 creature from legions that was just like negator with less of s downside?? he might be better in the deck cause if her get hit hard you dont lose your board.
seals should be maindeck if atall possible. every deck in the format ahs something worth sealing.
kataki war's wage is god! it wrecks almost ever artifact based deck in the format...remeber workshop cant be used to pay for the cost from war's wage therefore she is god!
how fast can you generate 5 mana??cause haunting echos says GG to dragon, slaver, and stax!!!!i dont know i doubt your mana curve could handle it but it is always an option.
and last but not least what about cabale thearapy and unmask both 2 amazing discard cards that are now both layed in suicide black?

[twiggy]

whats that 5/3 creature from legions that was just like negator with less of s downside?? he might be better in the deck cause if her get hit hard you dont lose your board.

You are thinking of drinker of sorrow

[bebe]

I think B/w does have some potential and it can be easily proxied or budgetized. I would say i'm not one to clutterr threads with lists but of course everyone knows that's a lie. So here is what I would do to your deck ...

4 Mesmeric Fiend
4 Dark Confidant
3 Kataki, War's Wage
3 Drinker of Sorrow / Phyrexian Negator / Exalted Angel

1 Demonic Tutor
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Yawgmoth's Will

4 Duress
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Null Rod
3 Chains of Mephistopheles

1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Black Lotus
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
4 Fetchland
4 Scrubland
3 Plains
4 Swamps
4 Dark Ritual

Sideboard:
3 True Believer
3 Disenchant
3 Seal of Cleansing
3 Diabolic Edict
3 Planar Void

I really believe that Suppresion Field is best left in the side. Kataki seems better in so many ways least of which it can beatdown if necessary for a few extra points of damage. Play four StPs if you play white.
I would use either Drinker or Angel as a finisher myself - I'm I've a split mind as to which is better but assuming it comes into play turn three or four do you really want a Negator pinged by a Trisk/Fire/Iced or Lava Darted, etc.
Chains/Confidant is too good to pass - allowing that it takes a spot that could have been Chalices ( this would needs be a metagame choice as I do not see room for both).
Its a quick sideboard I put up. Edicts could be your Chalices I suppose for a bit more protection against combo. Preachers are another possibility. If you are expecting a lot of Gifts i would stick Chalices in. I think against Slaver you should be at the very least competitive with this side.
Dark Confidant and Kataki have made these decks somewhat competitive although i would need to a lot of testing before I brought a build like this to a tournament. I'm not sure that Dark confidant would not be best oin a competitive EBA build - it easily replaces Phids or such. In fact your nbuild is pushing towards an EBA type feel.

[Fubar]

Drinker of Sorrow never, ever will hold a candle to negator.  He was, and is, terrible through all my testing.

[ROLAND]

Negator is terrible.

Play hunted horror and engineered explosives.

Add some aether vial and jitte to give your deck some potential.

Roland

[cssamerican]

Just some intial thoughts:

Sarcomancy > Carnophage. The cost is the same, the drawback is comparable, and it gives you an extra permanant against Stax.

Phyrexian Negator seems really solid here because it can be swinging on turn two, and it isn't going to be as big of a liability in the Stax match-up like Drinker of Sorrow. If they get a Trisk active you will probably lose regardless, but at least you won't be paralized by a Smokestack. If for some reason you face an opponent who tries to burn it out you could always Plow it in response to the burn, so you do have at least an out.