Regrowth variant

[Matt]

Name

Sorcery
Discard three cards. Return two target cards from your graveyard to your hand.

Mostly I wanted something to pair with Life From The Loam (Life+this+this is a phat engine, yo). It also is fun with Squee.

It's interesting to note that you can't return one of the discarded cards, as you have to declare targets on announcement and you discard on resolution.

[Matt]

Current wording:


Regain

Sorcery
Discard a card. Return target card from your graveyard to your hand.

[Machinus]

Isn't this kind of busted, since you can still play it even if you don't discard three cards?

[dandan]

Given that it is Green, it is more likely to be busted BECAUSE you can discard 3 cards, rather than because you might not have to. Still I see no reason not to use our old friend, Mr 'If you do,'.

Discard three cards. If you do, return two target cards from your graveyard to your hand.

Another way to do it would be

Return two target cards from your graveyard to your hand. Discard 3 cards.

I think the card disadvantage of this is probably a strong-enough downside to allow this to become an Instant. This would allow some wacky Madness.

[Upinthe]

This is fine as is, I think, but not as an instant that can pull back counters.

[asmoranomardicodais]

All regrowths that return multiple things that wizards makes also remove the regrowth from the game, to stop it being an engine with itself. You should have this remove itself from the game

[Matt]

The whole point was that I WANTED it to be an engine with itself.

[JAG]

I really don't like the discard on resolution.  No matter where you put the discard, you can't bring back a discarded card (you choose targets before paying costs, which is the first time you'd have the opportunity to discard anything to this, no matter how it's worded).  I think the discard should be an additional cost to play. 

As is, it is an engine with itself, without the Ravnica card.  Play this with an empty hand, bring back another copy of this and Time Walk.  Play Time Walk.  Play this, discarding nothing, bringing back the first copy and Time Walk.  Repeat.  GG, barn.  Not a good thing.

I really don't think this can be an instant.  The discard as it is is not strong enough to warrant instant speed.  Picture this: one card in hand.  End of opponent's turn, play the card (which is This), discarding nothing, bringing back FoF/Gifts and a counter.  um, GG?

The discarding as an additional cost fixes most of these problems.  I don't think even putting the discard at the end really solves it, as then it becomes really quite stupid with madness (ok, before I declare blockers, i'll return Arrogant Wurm and Basking Rootwalla to my hand, i mean, i'll play them from my graveyard). 

-JM

[Matt]

Okay, I'll drop the engine part. What about this version? I also wanted this to be useful in reanimator-style decks, and this is nice in that it is both a discard outlet as well as a way to reuse a Exhume.

[Jacob Orlove]

This still seems really steep as a one for three. I think discarding just one card should be fine.

[Matt]

Okay, one it is.

[JAG]

i actually didn't mind it returning two cards, it just had to remove itself from the game, or have the discard as an additional cost to play, not as an effect of the spell.  As it is, it's quite a bit worse than regrowth, and even the new regrowth variant compares favorably against this.  Is 2 mana worth a card?  I'd say it is.

If it RFGs itself or if the discard is a cost to play the spell, then it's fine as it was originally.

-JM

[rvs]

Is this different enough from Regrowth, Recollect, Forgotton Lore and Nostaligic Dreams, and not just plain better than reclaim for that matter? I don't see what this card adds to the already existing spectrum.

[Machinus]

I think Regrowth is much better than the current version of this card. Why can't this be instant?

[Jacob Orlove]

I think Regrowth is much better than the current version of this card. Why can't this be instant?

Regrowth is also undercosted. Ravnica shows that a simple regrowth effect is worth about 2G, which is on par with what you pay here.

[Anusien]

Eh.  Regrowth seems to be at about 1G and a half, with G and a half going to give it a body, and just rounding up for Recollect.  Still, I really like this version.

[Matt]

Name?

[dandan]

Seed of Thought?

Lifecycle?

[Anusien]

Planting for the Future
Thought Seedling
Tilling

I like where it is right now by the way.

[Matt]

Continuing with the naming convention for this kind of thing, I'm going with Regain and slapping a clock on it.

[Matt]

I cast Regain on this thread. Added.