Rebellion

[dandan]

Rebellion
WW1
Instant
All players may sacrifice any of their creatures. Then all creatures deal damage equal to their power to their controller.

For reasons that are beyond me, White gets that whole rebel thing, which smacks of Red to me. Whatever.

You stir up a rebellion, the rebellion is suppressed, often with deadly force, or it succeeds although not long after things are pretty much as they always were.

This functions as a bad method of killing creatures and an unreliable method of direct damage. It might be very good in Limited although if an opponent is that far ahead in creatures, you may well have less life and they might be better positioned to soak up the damage.

Note that Bird of Paradise is rather poor at rebellion.

Current Wording

Open Rebellion
R/W R/W 1
Instant
Each player may sacrifice any of their creatures, then all creatures deal damage equal to their power to their controller.

[Matt]

"Open Rebellion" would be a good name for this.

[JAG]

this is totally nitpicking, but you need a current wording post that has something like this:

"Each player sacrifices any number of creatures.  Then, each creature deals damage equal to its power to its controller."

like i said, nitpicking.  But i think this is an "each player" case, rather than an "all players" case.

-JM

[dandan]

Ask and you shall receive.

Any chance of making this 1 R/W R/W ?

After all this is rather an Order/Chaos thing.

[Matt]

I think this is a prime candidate for including red somehow. Possibly it shouldn't be white at all, but definitely red belongs.

[dandan]

I completely agree. I made it White as Wizards appear to think Rebels are White. IMHO questioning authority and individual>state are Red. Still making it Red and White is fine by me as overthrowing the government could be seen as renewing order and this card could also lead to draconian crackdowns by the controllers of the masses, something else equally White and Red (obey or die is a classic Red form of government - Die and do it would be Black)

[Godder]

A single Rebel seems Black or Red, but an organised rebellion seems White to me. Not sure how that pans out with this card, but the mechanic is Red more than White.

[Ephraim]

Rebellion isn't, strictly speaking, a white theme. The reason why white got rebels during Masques block was because the ruling order of the plane was unjust. It was a way of demonstrating that although sometimes White is fastidiously concerned with the letter of the law, sometimes it pursues a higher law, even in defiance of the written law of the land. The rebels of Masques block were fighting for justice, equality, egalitarianism -- all white ideals. Rebellion against a rightful government is red. Rebellion against an unrightful government is white.

[dandan]

Rebellion isn't, strictly speaking, a white theme. The reason why white got rebels during Masques block was because the ruling order of the plane was unjust. It was a way of demonstrating that although sometimes White is fastidiously concerned with the letter of the law, sometimes it pursues a higher law, even in defiance of the written law of the land. The rebels of Masques block were fighting for justice, equality, egalitarianism -- all white ideals. Rebellion against a rightful government is red. Rebellion against an unrightful government is white.

Only the winners determine who was rightful or not. Might is right.

However you do point out what appears to be my current 'theme' (see Touched by Darkness) - that of the similarity of opposites. Is defiance of written law in pursuit of what that individual views as a greater cause a Red or a White thing. It is a perception/viewpoint thing.

I think Red is getting enough support to get this card, the question remains if White should lose it. I'm changing the CC to 1 R/W R/W

[Anusien]

Open Rebellion feels ongoing, for a one-time event I'd rather 'Incite Rebellion'.  I like it at 1 R/W R/W, although it may be a tad undercosted, or maybe not - I'm not sure where this is between Breaking Point and Wrath of God.

Also, quick grammatical fix:
Each player may sacrifice any of their creatures, then all creatures deal damage equal to their power to their controller.

[dandan]

Undercosted? Remember that a player with more creatures has the choice of either taking the damage or losing some or all of their creatures. The traditional 'Wrath' by a creatureless player will probably merely result in a Lava Axe, not a Wrath. If an opponent is low on life then you'd get the Wrath rather than the damage. In short this is a punisher card and IMHO a fairly weak one.

[neppy]

seems just red to me given the similarity to breaking point.

[dandan]

It is fairly similar to Breaking Point although the option of keeping some but not all of your creatures is interesting in gameplay. Note that with an opponent at 6 life with a bunch of weenies, Open Rebellion is far inferior to Breaking Point but the option of the casting keeping a creature (for example an Exalted Angel) makes this a far more flexible card.

In any case, the current version is Red, although I think the flavour of draconian crackdown seems White as well.

[dandan]

24 hour clock

[Matt]

Closed and added.[/color]