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« on: November 28, 2005, 02:13:22 pm »

Did anyone hear anything about this?

I saw that there were 366 players.  What were the results?  Is there a website?
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2005, 02:40:19 pm »

As usual, I would run all over Italy in order to help and inform the "Atlantic and OverOceanic Minds".
I would post some results and useful things in less than a snap of my fingers Wink ( not more than a couple of days ).
Stay connected!

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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2005, 04:37:49 pm »

????

I honestly have no idea what you just said.

Do you have the top 8 decklists?
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2005, 04:41:12 pm »

I think he said he would post the info within the next couple of days, since he needs to get all the facts straight.
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2005, 05:12:49 pm »

if you replace "would" with "will" it all comes together.
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2005, 05:29:41 pm »

I found a top 8 description, but I'd like to see the actual decklists, as I have no idea what is meant by:

Welder Combo

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"Staker Unspo"
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2005, 05:53:26 pm »

I found a top 8 description, but I'd like to see the actual decklists, as I have no idea what is meant by:

Welder Combo

and

"Staker Unspo"

Well it's obvious that you just aren't connected to the top tier of Type 1 then isn't it.

/Sarcasm

That is a huge turnout for a type 1 event. This will be very interesting to see the top 8 or top 16 if possible. I wonder if there are any new or hybrid archetyps or anything predominatly European (tog , or madness) that placed well.
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2005, 01:43:51 am »

From what I can gather on TheAbyss.biz forums (translated on Babel Fish and using my Intuition), this was what was left standing after the cut to the top 8:

Quarterfinals
Garella (Control Slaver) beats The Duca (Atog/TPC?) 2-0
Spanish X (Welder Mud w/Time Vault) beats Ciuchi (TPS) 2-1
Ardoino (Gifts) beats Smokestack (Stacker UNSPOILERED aka missing power) 2-0
Benifei (UG Bazaar Madness) beats Gesiot (UR Fish UNSPOILERED aka missing power) 2-0

Semifinals
Garella (Control Slaver) beats Spanish X (Welder Mud w/Time Vault and Lodestone Myr) 2-1
Ardoino (Gifts) beats Benifei (UG Bazaar Madness) 2-0

Finals
Garella (Control Slaver) beats Ardoino (Gifts) 2-1

The Final Rankings/Standings:
1 Andrea Garella
2 Mark Ardoino
3 Pablo Ambrojo Dominguez
4 Mark Benifei
5 Giovanni Gesiot
6 Alexander Head
7 Alexander Ciuchi
8 Roberto Mandotti
9 Paul Vizzari
10 luca the white man
11 Samuele Sdrubolini
12 Francisco Tomassini
13 Matteo Pierdicca
14 Giacomo Alberto Mallamaci
15 Valerio Sferruzzi
16 Stefano Motta
17 Mark Monchiero
18 Alexander Scarafia
19 Riccardo Red
20 Gabriel Angelini
21 Daniel Desogus
22 Chuang-chuang Xie
23 Andrea Giorgini
24 Mark Mazzei
25 David Besso
26 Peter Supports
27 Enea Salvaderi
28 David Marchetti
29 Humbert Milazzo
30 Lorenzo Faithful
31 Gregorio Adezati
32 Concari Marcello
33 Augusto Praloran
34 Giuseppe De Micheli
35 Roger Riera the Cervera
36 Simone Girgenti
37 riccardo zara
38 Paul Cadioli
39 David Beduzzi
40 Riccardo Mauri
41 Borja Giraldo
42 Lorenzo Foroni
43 Mauro Old
44 filippo grigatti
45 Jonathan Genovese
46 Alexander Oppo
47 Stefano Opizzi
48 walter zarà
49 Pier Giuseppe Cristiglio
50 Roberto Sartini
51 matteo grella
52 Claudius Bossoli
53 Federico Molini
54 Federico morchio
55 Mario Namtao Shianti Larcher
56 Nicholas Toraldo
57 George Riccò
58 David Marcotti
59 Angelucci Desire
60 Thomas Zavaroni
61 Claudius Ferloni
62 Marcello Boiardi
63 Ambrogio Martina
64 Salt Francisco
65 Alexander Philippine
66 Carl Feragotto
67 Alberto Ferloni
68 Gabriel Diamonds
69 Arming Amodeo
70 Stefano Bags
71 Andrea Cassanelli
72 giuseppe carcara
73 Serge Metz
74 Mark Marnati
75 Alexander Bonuccelli
76 Roberto Francini
77 Danilo Benga Welcomes
78 David Boys
79 Giuseppe Pope
80 Federico Malacarne
81 Mark Sponza
82 The Faustus Zanini
83 Pieluigi Vagnarelli
84 Matteo m Lucks
85 Jurij Gosso
86 Fabrizio Morina
87 massimiliano rossero
88 Fabio Baggio
89 Daniel Santucci
90 maximum mattioli M.D.
91 Andrea Sighinolfi
92 Ruggero Moroni
93 Andrea Coalova
94 Matteo Passuello
95 Fabio Piece
96 Maurizio Oppedisano
97 Of Rose Andrea
98 Mathias Demomi
99 David Alfonsi
100 Claudius Veltri
101 Stefano Biasio
102 Announced David
103 Claudius Bettinelli
104 Marcello Morelli
105 Ernest esm Sanchez Sr.
106 Nervous Alan
107 Luca Rosselli
108 Rodolfo Giulianini
109 Mattia Solli Gazzola
110 David Morales
The 111 Erics Bonfanti
112 Mark Groppelli
113 Nicolò Crust
114 antonino nucera
115 riccardo timellini
116 Federico Feroldi
117 William Genovese
118 Alexander Mennella
119 Riccardo Cavalera
120 Massimiliano Red
121 Bertero Guido
122 Stefano Piva
123 Mark Fagnoni
124 Andrea Casarotti
125 Praised Lucio
126 Stefano Cattan
127 Mark Lions
128 Goran Paliska
129 Michele Airaudo
130 Christian Baragiani
131 Omar Saudella
132 Delaiti G Gino
133 Francisco Recchiuti
134 Maicol Beltrame
135 David savini
136 Nicholas Of The Soldier
137 Christian Garbi
138 Daniel Facchini
139 Antonio Venditti
140 Tommaso Galliums
141 David Yepez
142 Cesar Belgrade
143 Luca Campostrini
144 Paschal Nunziatino
145 Roman Luca
146 David Red
147 Francisco s stillio
148 Lorenzo Mattia
149 Lucio Castaldini
150 Josh To Meckes
151 Daniel Verra
152 Mark De_Rossi
153 cristian walnuts
154 Renato Morriello
155 Gabriel Zaccarini
156 David Faramia Cohen
157 Andrea Riviello
158 Daniel Astolfi
159 Mattia Bolzoni
160 Ermanno Elti
161 Alberto Oss
162 Stefano Candle
163 Danilo Perrone
164 Emanuele Marcotti
165 Luca Saccomandi
166 stefano pinat
167 Jacopo Polenta
168 Catenacci Mark
169 Matteo Santero
170 Boris Piasentà
171 sabino vassalli Jr.
172 Giuseppe Pennisi
173 Mario Language
174 Alexander Ferrarelli
175 Matteo Brusaferri
176 Pasa Edoardo
177 Miguel Angel Diaz Gonzalez
178 luca rivarollo
179 Pierluigi Ferrari
180 Federico Franzoni
181 Carl Iacuzio
182 Andrea Piunti
183 Andrea Genchi
184 Luciano Damiano
185 Andrea Dellai
186 David Ascenzo
187 Roberto Masera
188 Praised Viola
189 Tiziano Rates
190 Thomas Faes
191 Dario White man
192 Alexander Zetti
193 Luca Salvaneschi
194 Alexander Morganti Sr.
195 Matteo Callegari
196 mark mannerucci
197 Domenico Chionetti
198 Steven Minelli
199 Andrea Case
200 Fabio Zanasi
201 Tonelli Christian
202 Lorenzo Mariani
203 Matteo Lenzi
204 Andrea Lipsticks
205 Daniel Bernini
206 Mark Shears
207 Luca Lds From The Dry One
208 Matteo Negrini
209 Dario De Palm
210 Emanuele Campanini
211 Paul Gaudini
212 Antonio Graziano
213 Cristian Mass
214 esposito mark
215 David Rissone
216 Federico Gazzotti
217 Maycol Of The Soldier
218 Giampaolo Scatillazzi
219 Iari Arena
220 Mark Marotta
221 Andrea Parri
222 mattia benabbi
223 Alexander Moser
224 Matteo Root
225 mark caramel
226 Emanuele Lesca
227 Dario Contadin
228 Gianluca Gallerani
229 Valerio Martino
230 Sandro Lanfredini
231 Mark Roots
232 Francisco Accettura
233 Hermes Gresta
234 Manuel Procaccianti
235 Diego Trintinaglia
236 Alan Labriola
237 Daniel Castellani
238 Francisco Piña
239 Andrea Gereon
240 Cerri Giordano
241 Francisco Rebuffo
242 Matteo Pravettoni
243 David Melotti
244 Real Enrico
245 Ivan Mangifesta
246 Carl Azzalini
247 Carl Alberto Red
248 Maximum Vital
249 Emanuele Mastaglia
250 Meoli Maximum
251 Dario Pignatti
252 Francisco in love
253 Matteo Andrini
254 Praised Michele
255 Stefano Pole
256 Alexander Wings Miracca
257 Roberto Low
258 Emanuele Moratti
259 Sergio Mascanzoni
260 Fabio Vixens
261 Mauro Bosani
262 Luciano Repetto
263 Mark Coconut
264 Andrea Seveso
265 Mark Motteran
266 Stefano Checcaglini
267 Flavio Bondioli
268 Alexander Caffini
269 Alexander Stringhi
270 Jacopo Bresan
271 Mattia Hen
272 Good Matia
273 Pacino Mattia
274 Fabio Black
275 Gianluca Fucci
276 Emiliano Thirds party
277 Francisco Di Giovanni
278 Enrico Caramel
279 Andrea Storti
280 Fabio Curly
281 Paul Gelli
282 Fabio Red
283 Alex Robino
284 Jaume Bonet
285 Emanuele Romanelli
286 Maurizio D' Isanto
287 Daniel Zubiani
288 Hans Previtali
289 Alice Puppo
290 Filippo Lietti
291 Denni Triglia
292 Matteo Turri
293 Scott R Forrester Sims
294 Andrea Canessa
295 Luigi Comandù
296 Lorenzo Favalli
297 Rocco Palumbo
298 David Bernabe
299 Alessio Giacomelli
300 Matteo Cairati
301 Matteo Bertocchi
302 Gabriel Schito
303 Lorenzo Compagnoni
304 Gianluca De Lorenzo
305 Pablo Cirillo
306 Giacomo Carollo
307 Emanuele Biancardi
308 Evandro Mancin
309 Ralph Forino
310 mark mouthfuls
311 Corrado Castria
312 Simone Pesavento
313 Alexander Teneggi
314 Andrea Crugnola
315 Giovanni Pietta
316 Federico Columbus
317 Silvia Ranzieri
318 Andrea Cetta
319 Favalli Enzo
320 Alberto Zini
321 Martino The Forest
322 Gian Filipe Rodrigues Orsini
323 Tommaso Mace
324 Antonio Gammarota
325 Matteo Canova
326 Mark Caramel
327 Alessio Micheloni
328 Francisco Cudrano
329 Matteo Roversi
330 Alexander dumas
331 Andrea Mei
332 Scuto Leonardo
333 Emanuele Fornatale
334 Paul fanciullini
335 Guido Cavana
336 riccardo Columbus
337 Gabriel Metelli
338 Martino Candon
339 David De Blessed
340 Giacomo Zorzan
341 Giuseppe Di Vincenzo
342 Gabriel Bargetto
343 Samuele Salvatti
344 Mark Romanelli
345 Danilo Marchic
346 Riba Helium
347 Adrian Ferrari
348 David Falasconi
349 Andrè Aillon
350 Nicolo Mazzarello
351 Mark Factors
352 Daniel Tans
353 Enrico Baratelli
354 Mark Peretto
355 Giuseppe Stregone Russian Errante
356 Matteo Mat Ginanneschi
357 Matteo Badaraccio
358 Alberto Bertinetti
359 Andrea Podesta
360 Roberto Gallea
361 David Compass
362 Aldo Garosio
363 Tommaso Rabissi
364 Ismaele Of orazio
365 Cristian Marchiò
366 Candid Domenico

Other interesting facts:
There were a wopping 366 players.
The 9 rounds of Swiss rounds took 12 hours, thanks in part to some lengthy delays at one point.
In the top 8 there were 7 Italians and 1 Spaniard (Pablo Ambrojo Dominguez aka Spanish X), and the top 8 was held at a local Chinese restaurant after the original site closed, and finished around 3:30 AM.
In a strange twist of fate, it appears as though ALL of the original decklists may have been stolen from the tournament organizers before the tournament finished. I am not joking about this. They currently are attempting to reconstruct Top 8 decklists via PM's to players/message board members.
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2005, 07:34:35 am »

Jee, that´s a big loot, 366 decklists. I bet you can sell that on ebay for like 87 cents
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2005, 11:01:58 am »

That is an amazing turnout. I wonder what a person would do with 400 decklists?
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2005, 11:57:02 am »

From the 4th place tournament report (from theabyss.biz)

4bazaar of baghdad
4isole tropicali
1tundra
1pianura (plains)
1isola (island)
1foresta
1yavimaya coast
3fetchland bianco-blu
3fetchland bianco-verde
5mox
1black lotus
1sol ring
1ancestral
1timewalk
4careful study
4deep analysis
4force of will
4circolar logic
4roar of the wurm
4wild mongrell
4basking rootwalla
4da spade a spighe (swords to plowshares)

sideboard:

4energy flux
3naturalize
4extract
4rootwater thief
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2005, 01:44:23 pm »

So my STP is Italian.. Actually on the card it says: "Da Spade a Spighe!". One of the reasons I play with it..

Seriously, cool that Madness makes T8 in a 366 players tourney..
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2005, 02:01:00 pm »

So my STP is Italian.. Actually on the card it says: "Da Spade a Spighe!". One of the reasons I play with it..

Seriously, cool that Madness makes T8 in a 366 players tourney..

Don't forget that these tournaments are sanctioned and thus, there are a TON of unpowered aggro decks.
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2005, 03:49:19 pm »

Ive been doing some serious testing with Bazaar Madness decks, and I was pretty suprised by how sophisticated they really are...maybe its just us silly americans dismissing the deck, but I think its a pretty amazing deck when built correctly for the meta with a decent player behind the wheel.

Cant wait to see more of the lists, hopefully they find the dude that took the lists (how odd....) or at least can get a faithful recreation of the lists.
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2005, 06:43:26 pm »

So my STP is Italian.. Actually on the card it says: "Da Spade a Spighe!". One of the reasons I play with it..

Incidentally, if you translate "Da Spade, a Spighe!" back to English again you get "Swords to Ears". Wink

MaxxMatt by the way is doing a great job trying to track back these missing decklists. Just give him some time.
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2005, 07:07:03 pm »

Well, cheers for Control Slaver and Andrea Garella.

That's a crazy amount of people.  It would have been alot more interesting had there been proxies.

Nine Rounds, Twelve Hours = crazy.
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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2005, 06:35:53 pm »

These are the data that I can write for you at now.

Relevant Data.

Judges Team
- Diego Fasciolo    Lev. 3
- Luca Simone    Lev. 2
- Support Judge    Lev. 1
- Support Judge    Lev. 1
- Support Judge    Lev. 1
- Support Judge    Lev. 1

REL 3
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9 Swiss Rounds + Single Elimination Top8 Matches


Prices for Top 64 ( Powered Decks )
Prices for Top 16 ( Unpowered Decks )
Special Prices for Girls, Funny Decks, Teams and Others.
Click here to see which ones


DOOMSDAY 2005 - MAIN EVENT - WINNERS

TOP 8

1 Garella Andrea          ( Ubr - Control Slavery )
2 Ardoino Marco          ( MD-Gifts )
3 Pablo Ambrojo Dominguez    ( Welder Combo )
4 Benifei Marco          ( UWG - Madness UWG )
5 Gesiot Giovanni          ( UW - Wu Tang )
6 Testa Alessandro          ( Ur - Control Slavery )
7 Ciuchi Alessandro          ( TPS UB )
8 Mandotti Roberto          ( MonoBrown Stacker * )

*= Unpowered Deck





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2nd Place - MD-Gifts - Report – Marco aka “Sauron? Ardoino
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Turn 1 – Stacker MonoBrown ( called “Nat-Stacker? here in Italy since his creator’s name is Natta Albert – Skullclamp, Ravager, Retriver, Triskelions and other Lock Components are his general card’s pool )
Game 1 & 2
Merchant for Rebuild and Echoing Truth >> Opponent’s Hate. DSC won two times

Turn 2 – Stacker MonoBrown ( called “Nat-Stacker? here in Italy since his creator’s name is Natta Albert – Skullclamp, Ravager, Retriver, Triskelions and other Lock Components are his general card’s pool )
Game 1 & 2
Merchant for Rebuild and Echoing Truth >> Opponent’s Hate. Gifts for permanents and DSC won the games for me two times

Turn 3 -  Fish URW
Game 1
Tinker for DSC in the early game sealed the win for me
Game 2
He resolved Pyrostatic Pillar. I resolved a DSC which he plowed away. I resolved Y. Will for some other gas and I Tinkered again for Sundering Titan that win in three turns.

Turn 4 – MUD – Monobrown Control
Game 1 & 2
Merchant for Rebuild and Echoing Truth >> Opponent’s Hate. Gifts for permanents and DSC won the games for me two times


Turn 5 – Gifted.dec ( Against MaxxMatt. He was playing his Gifts version with TFKs, Gifts, Needles, Duresses and Bouncers maindeck. He played white for Balance and Sacred Grounds in his side. ).
Game 1.
He mulliganed and played two Needles naming Polluted and Flooded blocking my mana base development for some turns, but he seemed to draw into nothing and was unable to concretize this advantage. I Tutored for FoF and resolved it after an huge counter war during his EoT. I soon played Gifts for Y. Will, Lotus, Tolarian Academy and Recoup. He conceded without defences.
Game 2.
Post side we almost had the same decks and protections. He mulliganed down to six again and was screwed for all the remaining part of the match. He missed his third land drop for almost all the game and lose with double ReB and Recoup in hand without a single Volcanic in play.

Turn 6 – Urw – Keeper Control
Game 1.
He pulled out a quick CoW + Strip in play plus some Shamans beatdown. I lost completely locked down after an huge Decree for a lot of Soldiers
Game 2 & 3.
FoWs, Duresses, Drains and ReBs played a better role than his own defences and I easily protect my own Gifts. I won without too many difficulties.


Turn 7 – UGw - Control Madness
Game 1.
I kept a medium hand with Y Will and other bombs. He played a couple of Rootwallas and we both depleted our hands in order to protect and counter my own Gifts. During my last  possible turn I played Gifts during his EoT and Burning with during my last mainphase. He countered both of them, remaining with a single card in hand. I resolved a massive Y Will for ToA.

Game 2.
He resolved a quick Rootwater Thief. I soon Brainstormed and drew into Tinker for Sundering Titan that won me the game thanks to his strong denial effect.

Turn 8 – Gay Red
Game 1.
Gifts >> Fishes
Game 2.
Multiple Standstills,  Mishras’ beatdown and bad hands >> Gifts
Game 3.
Titan and DSC >> Fishes

Turn 9 – Spanish Good player with a Welder based Combo deck. His primarily  kill consist on [card]Lodestone Myr[/card] and [card]Time Vault[/card]
Game 1 & 2.
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Quarterfinals - Spanish Really Good player with a Welder-Artifact based Combo deck. His primarily  kill consist on [card]Lodestone Myr[/card] and [card]Time Vault[/card] while the rest of the deck was Locking Components and Fatties
Game 1 & 2.
I played Merchants for Bouncers again and won.

Semifinals – Ugw Madness
Game 1.
DSC beatdown exploded faster than opponent’s one. His StPs have been Mis-Directed on other good things
Game 2.
Y Will exploded faster than then opponent’s could forethought. He conceded after a Gifts for Y Will, Recoup, Walk and Demonic

Finals – Ubr – Control Slavery
Game 1.
He played a lot of mana, a quick Welder and Intuition for Pentavus, Mindslaver, Titan during his first turn. No way to recover from that deadly recursion.
Game 2.
He had an hand better than the first one, with Welders, TFKs and Ancestral, but I Duressed and Countered those spells enough to contain his row power. Suddenly a Gifts resolved and with all the mana available I won the game after a medium sized Y Will
Game 3.
He played Extract naming Y Will. We both played draw go for a while, then we both ruined our hands on countering each others bombs. He remained with a lot of mana on table and a single Welder in play, while I had some cheap drawers and nothing of consequences. He soon topdecked Intuition that resolved and placed into the grave the usual three nasty artifacts ( Slaver, Titan and Pentavus ). He won match and the entire tourney.



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Because I have a bit of time available, I would like to arrgue something to each one put attention on this thread.

@Buttons-
If I come back with memory, I cannot find a T1 tourney more massive than this one, if we exclude the Paris' Tourney during last Summer. The preparation of an event such as this one take really a lot of time, money and cooperations. We contacted Hotels, Restaurant and huge Commercial Areas to let all the people coming all over the Italy to have  a place to stay and a comfortable place to play. In the end, the gaming area was the best one available in that city ( Piacenza, here in Italy ) and the entire Commercial Building that was accomodating us was reserved to Vintage Players and their crews Wink
I found some photos of the event.
Click here and don't put attention on words, just click on images Wink
These are other photos of people and places. Enjoy!

I'll hope tha those photos can give you some hints about the "PT-Like-Atmosphere" that we breathed for this event.

On the other hand, I can't say more than... Uhm.. Sooooo Seeeeeexy... Wink




@Shaman.
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@Lunar.

Talking about that specific deck, I really appreciate your interests because even here in Italy we found that deck really "strange". Madness without Bazaars and with a massive use of "complete sets of 4x". With that sideboarding-hate strategy, I can easily see how it could have won so much against all the Tier1.decs that he faced all day long.
As you stated in your last line, Control-Madness is more sophysticated strategy than anyone ( even here in Italy where it saw his born ) could ever think. You can play both an Aggressive or a Controllish plan and the ability to gain some key turns thanks to removals and counters, would usually help you win faster with your huge creatures. The color choice is the natural one for a DSC' filled metagame and the lack of Squees, while naturally dismissed by anyone who saw the deck, can only be appreciated after playing the deck. Deeps and Bazaars are strong enough to let you abuse of the Madness Mechanic whenever you want, without losing to much cards' advantage. You have a lot of things to throw down to the grave, so don't be afraid on using BoB when you have one in play. Wink I'm sure that it is one of the decks more difficult to master, among the ones that top8ed this time. A lot of choices can be done to optimize the hand/madness ratio and only an experienced player can be able to transform pathetic situations into winnable ones.


@Dante.
We tried to do some maths and counts about the Powered and Unpowered Rate.
I initially estimated more than 40% of unpowered decks.
But I was partially wrong.

If we could cathegorize as "Powered" even the ones that played with few pieces of P9 ( such as, Oaths, Fishes, some control decks, some Stakers, some Dragons and so on ), the Unpowered Decks don't reach the 30%.

I don't want to nitpick your usage of the word "TON", because I can seem too harsh, but it seems to me that it tend to dismiss the value of a player that played against Tier1s and won without too many difficulties, losing only twice to MD-Gifts.

If I'm able to do it, I would post his report. The thread that he opened in our Forum have been the most controversial but the most interesting one since months, because from his words, we realized how well he prepared all the matchups and how his skills have been used in a produttive way.

In Italy, we have Unpowered decks that are continuosly trying to hate out Powered decks. Some, among the worst matchup of decks like MD-Gifts or Slavery or Oaths are EXACTLY the Unpowered ones, when they HAVE to deal with TONS of hate and TONS of cards that are effective ONLY against them.
From my perspective, if both the well prepared Unpowered player and the Powered player would not go broken, their chances of winning games aren't so much in favour of the Powered one.

Turning back to the Madness' list, that seems to have captured our attention, what do you feel about it?
IMHO, it is the most innovative Madness build done since months.





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1st Place - Ubr - Control Slavery
2nd Place - MDGifts
4th Place - UGW - Control-Madness
7th Place - UBr - TPS
9th Place - T1Tog
13th Place - T1Tog
23th Place - NatStacker
62th Place - MUD - AggroBrown
64th Place - Gay Red
85th Place - 5C-$t4k$ - UBAzaar
98th Place - 5C-$t4k$
119th Place - Wu - WW
124th Place - UW - Fish
158th Place - Gay Red
209th Place - UBr - Dragon
222th Place - T1TPC
256th Place - UW - WuTang
307th Place - Bgr Dragon





Andrea Garella - 1st Place - Ubr - C-Slavery

4 Thirst for Knowledge
4 Brainstorm
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of will
2 Intuition
2 Deep Analysis
2 Cunning Wish
4 Welders
1 Pentavus
1 Triskelion
1 Sundering Titan
1 Mindslaver
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Tinker
4 Volcanic Island
1 Underground Sea
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Library of Alexandria
4 Island
2 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
5 Mox
1 Lotus
1 Sol RIng
1 Mana Vault
1 Mana Crupt

Side
1 Reb
1 Pyro
2 Extract
1 Firestorm
1 Eretics Viashino
1 Rack and Ruin
1 Shattering Pulse
1 Rushing River
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Gush
1 Misdirection
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Fire Ice
1 Duplicant

Marco Ardoino - 2nd Place - MD-Gifts

Steve Firstly Proposed List:
-1 Merchant
-1 Mis-D
+1 Deep
+1 Cunning
Side
-1 Pyroclasm
-2 Weenies Removals/Tools
+1 Sundering Titan
+2 Duress


Marco Bonifei - UGw Madness - 4° PLace

4bazaar of baghdad
4isole tropicali
1tundra
1pianura (plains)
1isola (island)
1foresta
1yavimaya coast
3fetchland bianco-blu
3fetchland bianco-verde
5mox
1black lotus
1sol ring
1ancestral
1timewalk
4careful study
4deep analysis
4force of will
4circolar logic
4roar of the wurm
4wild mongrell
4basking rootwalla
4da spade a spighe (swords to plowshares)

sideboard:
4energy flux
3naturalize
4extract
4rootwater thief




Alessandro Ciuchi aka Jestercap - 7° Place - TPS-UBr

1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Memory Jar
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
4 Dark Ritual
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Duress
1 Necropotence
1 Skeletal Scrying
2 Tendrils of Agony
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Ancestral Recall
4 Brainstorm
1 Cunning Wish
1 Fact or Fiction
4 Force of Will
2 Gifts Ungiven
1 Mind's Desire
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Rebuild
1 Time Walk
1 Timetwister
1 Tinker
1 Recoup

Lands (13):
1 Badlands
2 Island
4 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
1 Tolarian Academy
3 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island

Sideboard
1 Brain Freeze
1 Darksteel Colossus
1 Ebony Charm
2 Echoing Truth
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Pyroblast
1 Rebuild
3 Red Elemental Blast
1 Rushing River
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Withered Wretch



Paolo Vizzari - DCI 79469249 - 9° Place - T1-Tog

// Lands
3 Volcanic Island
3 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
3 Island
1 Library of Alexandria
4 Underground Sea

// Creatures
1 Psychatog
1 Darksteel Colossus

// Spells
1 Tinker
1 Black Lotus
3 Intuition
4 Accumulated Knowledge
4 Brainstorm
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
4 Cunning Wish
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
3 Duress
2 Deep Analysis
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Enginereed Explosives

// Sideboard
SB: 1 Misdirection
SB: 1 Fling
SB: 1 Gush
SB: 1 Pyroblast
SB: 2 Rack and Ruin
SB: 1 Rushing River
SB: 1 Shattering Pulse
SB: 1 Lava Dart
SB: 1 Fact or Fiction
SB: 1 Firestorm
SB: 1 Snuff Out
SB: 1 Hurkyl's Recall
SB: 2 Pithing needle


Matteo Pierdicca - 13° Place - T1T evolution (7-2)

3 Underground Sea
3 Volcanic Island
3 Island
4 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol ring
1 Academy
1 Mana Crypt

4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
4 Accumulated Knowledge
2 Merchant scroll
3 Intuition
1 Gifts Ungiven
4 Brainstorm
4 Cunning Wish
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker
1 Darksteel Colossus
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
3 Duress
1 Recoup

SIDEBOARD:
1 Brainfreeze
1 Firestorm
1 Rushing River
1 chain of Vapor
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Shattering Pulse
2 Rack and Ruin
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Mystical tutor
1 Coffin Purge
1 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Misdirection
1 Lava dart


Andrea Giorgini - NatStacker - 23° Place -  7-2

4 Arcbound Ravager
4 Myr Retriver
4 Skullclamp
4 Tangle Wire
4 Smokestack
3 Chalice of the Void
4 Sphere of resistance
4 Metalworker
2 Triskelion
1 Mana Vault
1 Mana crypt
1 Sol ring
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Black lotus
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Mishra's Workshop
4 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Memory Jar
2 Crucible of worlds

SIDE:
3 Razormane Masticore
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Triskelion
2 Duplicant
3 Tormod's Crypt
3 Culling Scales
2 Defense Grid




Boiardi Marcello --- 6-3 --- 62°  - Unjeweled Prison

//Main
// Lands
4 Mishra's Workshop
4 Wasteland
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
1 Strip Mine
4 Mishra's Factory
1 Petrified Field

// Creatures
2 Razormane Masticore
4 Juggernaut
4 Metalworker

//Speed
1 Mana Vault
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring

// Lock
4 Tangle Wire
4 Smokestack
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Trinisphere
3 Crucible of Worlds
3 Null Rod
3 Defense Grid
4 Sphere of Resistance

// Sideboard
1 Razormane Masticore
1 Defense Grid
3 Duplicant
3 Triskelion
4 Tormod's Crypt
3 Pithing Needle




Francesco Salino - 64° Place  - Fish U-R  - 6-3

// Lands
4  Volcanic Island
4  Flooded Strand
1  Polluted Delta
3  Island
4  Wasteland
1  Strip Mine
4  Mishra's Factory (3)

// Creatures
4  Grim Lavamancer
4  Spiketail Hatchling
4  Cloud of Faeries
3  Gorilla Shaman (2)

// Spells
3  Brainstorm
3  Standstill
3  Null Rod
4  Force of Will
3  Daze
2  Disrupt
3  Curiosity
1  Crucible of Word
2  Misdirection

// Sideboard
SB: 2  Tormod's Crypt
SB: 2  Rack and Ruin
SB: 2  Mogg Salvage
SB: 3  Sigil of Sleep
SB: 3  Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 3  Red Elemental Blast



Jurij Gosso - DCI 11145765 - 5C Stax (UBAzaar) - 85° Place -  (5-1-3)

// Lands
3  Wasteland
1  Strip Mine
4  Mishra's Workshop
1  Tolarian Academy
4  Gemstone Mine
4  City of Brass
1  Barbarian Ring
1  Bazaar of Baghdad

// Creatures
4  Goblin Welder
1  Karn, Silver Golem
1  Triskelion
1  Duplicant
1  Sundering Titan

// Spells
1  Mox Emerald
1  Mox Ruby
1  Mox Pearl
1  Mox Sapphire
1  Mox Jet
1  Black Lotus
1  Mana Crypt
1  Sol Ring
1  Mana Vault
1  Zuran Orb
4  Chalice of the Void
1  Trinisphere
3  Crucible of Worlds
3  Uba Mask
4  Smokestack
1  Memory Jar
1  Vampiric Tutor
1  Demonic Tutor
1  Ancestral Recall
1  Tinker
1  Balance
1  Crop Rotation
1  Fastbond

// Sideboard
SB: 3  Pithing Needle
SB: 2  Granite Shard
SB: 2  Ticking Gnomes
SB: 2  Swords to Plowshares
SB: 2  Seal of Cleansing
SB: 2  Pyroclasm
SB: 2  Rack and Ruin



Mathias De Momi - 98° Place - Rainbow-$t4k$

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4 city of brass
3 gemstone mine
1 barbarian ring
4 wasteland
1 strip mine
4 mishra’s workshop
1 tolarian academy
7solomoxen
1 mana crypt
1 mana vault

(33)
3 sphere of resistance
1 trinisphere
4 goblin welder
1 karn , silver golem
1 sundering titan
2 triskelion
3 thirst for knowledge
1 vampiric tutor
1 demonic tutor
1 mistical tutor
1 tinker
3 crucible of words
4 tangle wire
4 smockestack
1 ancestral recall
1 wheel fo fortune
1 memory jar

SIDEBOARD :
2 tormod's crypt
2 sigillo della purezza
1 aura fracture
3 defense grid
2 rack and ruin
2 duplicant
3 chalice of the void



Riccardo Cavalera - White Weenie Spashed U  -  5/4/0 - 119° Place

5 Plains
4 Flooded Strand
4 Tundra
4 Wasteland
1 Kor Haven
1 Karakas
1 Strip Mine

4 Icatian Javelineers
3 Kami of Ancient Law
4 Samurai of the Pale Curtain
3 Soltari Priest
3 Weathered Wayfarer
2 Isamaru
3 Ninja of the Deep Hours
4 Meddling Mage

4 AEther Vial
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Abolish

SB: 3 Serenity
SB: 3 Silver Knight
SB: 3 True Believer
SB: 2 Gilded Drake
SB: 2 Rootwater Thief
SB: 2 Umezawa's Jitte


Andrea Casarotti - 124° Place -  FISH U/R

5 Fetch
4 Volcanic
3 Island
4 Mishra's Factory
5 Strip

4 Cloud of Faeries
4 Spiketail Hatchling
4 Grim Lavamancer
3 Gorilla Shaman

4 Force of Will
3 Daze
1 Sigil of Sleep
1 Echoing Truth
1 misdirection

3 Standstill
4 Brainstorm
2 Curiosity

3 Null Rod
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Fire/Ice

SIDE

3 Pithing Needle
3 Tormod's Crypt
2 Rack'n Ruin
1 Hurkyll' s Recall
3 ReB
1 Pyroblast
2 Pyrostatic Pillar


Daniele Astolfi - 158° Place - Gay Red (4-4 drop)

// Lands
4 Volcanic Island
1 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
3 Island
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
4 Mishra's Factory

// Creatures
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Spiketail Hatchling
4 Cloud of Faeries
3 Gorilla Shaman

//Spells
3 Brainstorm
3 Standstill
3 Null Rod
4 Force of Will
3 Daze
2 Disrupt
3 Curiosity
3 Sigil of Sleep

// Sideboard
SB: 3 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 3 Rack and Ruin
SB: 3 Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 3 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 3 Fire/Ice




Dario De Palma - DahRgon Unpowered - 209° / 3-1-5

4 Bazaar of Baghdad
2 Island
1 Swamp
2 Badlands
2 Volcanic Island
2 Bloodstained Mire
3 Polluted Delta
4 Underground Sea
1 Sol Ring
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
4 Duress
3 Necromancy
2 Animate Dead
1 Dance of the Dead
1 Entomb
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
3 Squee, Goblin Nabob
3 Worldgorger Dragon
1 Shivan Hellkite
1 Sliver Queen
3 Stifle
3 Intuition
4 Force of Will
2 Careful Study
3 Deep Analysis
1 Read the Runes
SB: 1 Rebuild
SB: 2 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 1 Hurkyl's Recall
SB: 2 Rushing River
SB: 1 Massacre
SB: 2 Pyroclasm
SB: 1 Verdant Force
SB: 2 Sundering Titan
SB: 3 Red Elemental Blast



MatMat -  222° Place - T1-TPC - Mattia Benabbi

4 fow
4 drain
4 brainstorm
3 duress
3 volc
3 sea
2 deep
2 intuition
1 tinker
1 dsc
5 mox
1 lotus
1 sol ring
1 yawg will
4 wish
4 ak
3 island
5 fetch
1 demonic
1 mistical
2 fire\ice
1 E.E
1 ancestral
1 walk
1 tolarian
1 loa

side
1 reb
1 piro
1 fof
1 mis-d
1 coffin purge
1 starstorm
1 rebuild
1 hurkyl
2 RnR
1 shatter pulse
1 snuff out
1 lava dart
1 chain of vapor
1 brain freeze



Alessandro Ale Miracca  - 3-4 drop - 256° Place

MAINDECK
4 flooded
4 Tundra
4 Island
2 Plain
4 mishra
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
4 javalineers
4 Apprendista Tempestologo
4 Mage
4 Ninja 
4 Force of Will
3 Daze
4 Standstill
3 Null Rod
3 Brainstorm
4 Da Spade a Spighe!

SIDEBOARD
2 Serenity
2 Kira, Grande Tessivetro
3 Seal
3 Jitte di Umezawa
2 Dismantling Blow
2 devout witness
2 Kataki, War’s Wage


Emanuele Biancardi - Dragon-Bgr Unpowered - 307 Place - (2-0-4 drop)

4x Bazaar of Baghdad
3x Badlands
3x Bayou
3x Swamp
3x Polluted Delta
2x Bloodstained Mire
4x Worldgorger Dragon
4x Squee, Goblin Nabob
3x Necromancy
2x Animate Dead
1x Dance of the Dead
3x Elvish Spirit Guide
2x Dark Ritual
4x Duress
3x Cabal Therapy
2x Zombie Infestation
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Diabolic Intent
1x Mana Crypt
1x Sol Ring
1x Lotus Petal
1x Crop Rotation
1x Pernicious Deed
1x Ambassador Laquatus
1x Shivan Hellkite
1x Buried Alive
1x Entomb
2x Night's Whisper

SIDEBOARD:
4x Red Elemental Blast
3x Null Rod
3x Naturalize
2x Pyrostatic Pillar
1x Verdant Force
1x Sundering Titan
1x Massacre



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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2005, 06:58:17 pm »

I would like to know how many Welders Andrea Garella used in his Slaver list. They're missing from the list posted.

Great job with the lists btw! I love the Italian meta.

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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2005, 11:12:48 pm »

Steve needs more pussy to open up his mind rather than stupid translators to fix my language

heh, I have no idea what that means, but its hillarious.


This is really an amazing thing, and puts to shame even the largest of waterburys numberwise. On the issue of proxy's, if the figure of 30% is correct, I wonder exactly how much different that is then many US meta-games. I know at waterbury, I saw more then a few people playing either w/o proxys, or with very minimal proxys in order to play other cards, I wonder what the actualy ratio of powered/unpowered is here.

Sure, an unproxied meta-game should be different then a proxy one, but that is assuming that the unproxy meta-game has less power actualy availible to it. Does europe just have more power/per then the US? Is this b/c of the euro > dollar effecT?
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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2005, 11:37:40 pm »

MaxxMatt - I tried looking through the tournament reports on theabyss.biz as best I could (I don't speak Italian at all) and it seemed to me that there were ~3 or so aggro decks in each persons report.  It was only 5-6 reports, so many that was not representative of the whole tournament.
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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2005, 03:53:37 am »

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was a lot of aggro. The tournament was sanctioned after all...
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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2005, 09:44:46 am »

Hi!
I'm the one that played the "partly-Uba" 5c-stax who took 85th place at the Doomsday. Maybe I can help explaining Italian meta.

Of course, being sanctioned, Italian meta contains a lot of unpowered decks. The amount of unpowered varies from tournament to tournament but it's between 30% and 60%, with 40-50% being the norm. The remaining decks are generally fully powered or missing at most one-two pieces of power as the prize structure rewards unpowered decks with additional prizes.
For instance, the winner of the Doomsday took a beta Black Lotus, while the best unpowered took an unlimited Lotus... And he could as well be 30th in the whole tournament! This prize structure makes unappealing playing with only one or two pieces of power; for instance, a former student of mine owns an Ancestral Recall but rarely plays it in a tournament: he plays it only if he manages to borrow the missing pieces.

I refrain from calling those unpowered decks "aggro", however. Aggro is dead in Vintage and Italian meta is no different.
70-80% of those unpowered decks take one of those forms:
- Fish, Ur or Uw, who is aggro-control (the Uw version is more widespread now that everyone is packing Tinker-Colossus as their main win condition);
- Dragon, GB or UB or even UBr, who is combo;
- Nat-Stacker, monobrown, who is a prison deck.

Take as an example this list, that is considered pretty "standard" for an unpowered Nat-Stacker:

// Lock components (18)
4 Smokestack
4 Tangle Wire
4 Sphere of Resistence
4 Chailce of the Void
2 Crucible of Worlds

// Creatures (15)
4 Arcbound Ravager
4 Myr Retriever
3 Metalworker
2 Karn, Silver Golem
2 Triskelion

// Draw (3)
3 Skullclamp

// Mana (24)
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
1 Grim Monolith
4 Mishra's Workshop
4 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine

// SIDEBOARD (15)
3 Tormod's Crypt
3 Defense Grid
2 Culling Scales
2 Pithing Needle
2 Razormane Masticore
2 Duplicant
1 Crucible of Worlds

While it plays creatures - and can go in aggro mode - the deck at its core is a still a prison deck! The deck performs very well as it can win and even "go broken" against whichever opponent. Think about it that way... How much better is a Chalice for zero in this deck than in a fully powered one?
I was not surprised to see such a deck in Doomsday's top8... Just sleeve it and play a few games! Very Happy

Yes, there are "random" decks and the Doomsday was no different... I played a Shahrazad deck in the second turn! Rolling Eyes
But if you see many unpowered decks in the top reports (people who did well at the tournament writes reports), it's because those unpowered decks are well built and played.

I Hope this helps understanding Italian meta!
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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2005, 09:50:11 am »

Did anyone notice on of the guys names on the results list?

321 Martino The Forest

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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2005, 04:27:15 pm »

Hi to all the Mana Drain members!!!

My Name is Enea Salvaderi and some German ( Dullmen or Karslure Players ) , Paris or Lion ( TOAD ), Spanish ( Barcelona ) players know me because I've just played all over the Europe at Gen Con, Clichy or Dullmen.

Here is the italian link of Doomsday's tournament ( last september 2005 - 366 players )

http://www.thefuturecity.com/Doomsday/main_site/doomsday_winners.html

You can see the deck lists of some players. We are working hard for upload all the lists.

I've organize the EVENT with lot of helps from all the European Vintage players and with The ABYSS italian League.

Thank you very much from Italy!

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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2005, 06:41:59 pm »

.. would've been nice to know about this event beforehand. Sad
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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2005, 07:37:39 pm »

Don't worry next DOOMSDAY will be announced A.S.A.P.

Thanx for interest!
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« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2005, 05:47:55 am »

I'd just like to point out that the players Garella and Marco Ardonio also made the top8 at the infamous France Paris tournament this summer.
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« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2005, 07:35:40 pm »

Updated new deck lists.

Thanx all! we are working hard! it's not easy find all the lists!

http://www.thefuturecity.com/Doomsday/main_site/doomsday_winners.html
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« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2005, 09:15:23 am »

Is there a website with archived top 8s from Italy?
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« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2005, 09:55:20 am »

Mhm not yet but we are working har to ahve a solutions.

Now on this link we will update all the EUROPEAN tournaments: France, Italy, Spain, Holland! Then I will try to contact Germany.

Tournaments and TOP8. I know it's difficult but we'll work hard hard hard! sooo much!

Please be patience...all the infos will be updated from the 1st January!

Here's the link:

http://www.thefuturecity.com/Mtgcompany/tournaments.html
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