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vartemis
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« on: January 20, 2006, 10:02:40 pm »

http://dhost.info/type1database/index.htm

In light of the new MTG Wiki site release, I am sort of forced to do this premptive notification regarding The website I started building last week.

I am still in the middle of building the site, but I will give you a brief explanation of my intention for it.

I started playing Magic when Revised was phasing out, and collected up until Weatherlight and quit.  I got back into it during the tail end of Judgment and the beginning of Mirrodin thanks to a bunch of guys I met in college who played.  I have always been a Vintage Constructed player, and rarely dabbled with Standard or Extended.  I found trying to get back into the swing of things rather difficult.  I had no clue of what decks were available, where to go on the net for advice/tech and even what the current banned/restricted list was. Thanks to friends and fellow helpful gamers, I was guided through the net to the important places I needed to be to find out what was going on in the Vintage world.  I want to help other gamers like I was helped.

This site is ideally designed for beginners and people trying to get back in, or even people who just want to try a new deck.

The site is broken down into 5 sections: the deck database (the meat of the site), type 1 resources, help (explanation of site), links, and contact.

Contact and help are fairly straightforward and need no explanation. Links are for premier sites representing the vintage community, and more sites will be added as I gain permission to use them.  I already emailed Pete Hoefling and got his blessing to use TMD and SCG.

In the resources folder, I have the current banned/restricted list, a dictionary of terms that I came across by piecing together various lexicons found on the net, wikipedia, gaming groups, personal experience, and a DCI deck registration sheet.  As I come across more things of benefit to the community, I will include them here.

The meat of the site is the Database.  It is broken down at the moment into 6 subcategories: Bazaar, Drain, Workshop, Ritual, Oath, and Other deck types.  As you click on the card, you are taken to a page that explains the card and then gives the deck lists that use it, along with their colors and the deck type (combo, aggro, control).  At this time, only the Bazaar and Workshop ones are started.  Upon clicking the deck name, you will be taken to a page that contains a primer of the deck.  It will include a brief history of the deck, card selections, playing the deck, and sideboarding options against other popular decks.

This site will obviously take a bit of work to get completed, and will always be in a state of work as new decks emerge and current ones change. I think the site will be a great addition to the vintage community as an oracle for decks. The site is not a place for new tech, or a soap box for any particular deck, it will be a place for new players (which vintage needs) to start.

If anyone would like to help with primers, reccomendations, problems with the site, or even to tell me it's a bad idea and to stop me from wasting some serious time I would appreciate it.

thanks,

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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2006, 03:23:51 am »

Alright, some help perhaps:

-The general lay-out looks very good, props on that.

-The database: because your site is meant for, as you say, new people; it might be a good idea to give a brief explanation why these are the "archetypes", because this is actually some complicated stuff for people just getting in the format: other formats don't have such a thing as far as I know.

-Just a nitpick on the database layout: I recommend having some room between every card (just 1 pixel-line) and the name of the archetype under every card, with both the card and the name linking to it. That you have to click on the cards now may not be 100% clear right away. But that's just a minor lay-out nitpick.

-Another one: I think the letters centrated (sp?) reads harder than just reading from, regular, left to right. It's an informative piece of text, which you want to read a few times; centrated makes that harder.

-How are people supposed to see the colors in every deck? For example with Replenish, WUBrown are the necessary colors and black and red are optional splash colors? Some explanation might be a good idea.

-You currently have contact going down when you click on a certain section, I recommend the name of section going down so it's more clear which section you're in. Note that this is not the matter with the help section, so it might be an unplanned event that contact goes to the next line. Point remains that it is important to give a direction on which section is currently looked at.

I like your initiative and looks like it will have the function morphling.de and starcitygames previously had with their decks to beat section, shame they discontinued that.
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2006, 06:04:49 pm »

Quote from: Kasuras
The general lay-out looks very good, props on that.
Thanks. I try to make my sites fairly simple.  I personally hate sites that take me forever to navigate or figure out whats going on.
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The database: because your site is meant for, as you say, new people; it might be a good idea to give a brief explanation why these are the "archetypes", because this is actually some complicated stuff for people just getting in the format: other formats don't have such a thing as far as I know.
Actually thats going to go right below the card pictures on the main database page.  I just haven't gotten around to it yet.
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Just a nitpick on the database layout: I recommend having some room between every card (just 1 pixel-line) and the name of the archetype under every card, with both the card and the name linking to it. That you have to click on the cards now may not be 100% clear right away. But that's just a minor lay-out nitpick.
I can try 1 pixel line.  They are like that right now because I originally had some space between them, but I couldn't get it all to fit on a 17" monitor.  I run a 19" (well actually 2 stretched, but that doesnt matter as I test it on a single one) and it all fit on my screen, but when I tested it on a computer at work, you had to sidescroll to see the Lotus.  I HATE sidescrolling on a webpage.  I guess this is a trial and error thing.
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Another one: I think the letters centrated (sp?) reads harder than just reading from, regular, left to right. It's an informative piece of text, which you want to read a few times; centrated makes that harder.
Will do.  What about centering the cards in the R&B list? is that too distracting?
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How are people supposed to see the colors in every deck? For example with Replenish, WUBrown are the necessary colors and black and red are optional splash colors? Some explanation might be a good idea.
That will be going in the help section.  I am thinking of renaming it FAQ.  The colors listed first are the main colors for the deck.  The ones listed separately are either sideboard cards or cards in the deck that arent/rarely castible.  For example (going from memory) there is a gifts list, colossus i believe, that runs oaths in the sideboard.  There is no green in the deck, but there is a trop isl in it, hence the green dot off to the side.  As for replenish, it has a form of the dragon, a red spell that requires 3 red to cast.  The only way you would be able to cast it is with the lotus, and that is highly unlikely to get 2 1-ofs in the deck together.  99.9% of the time you will be replenishing it back in.  Same with dragon.  You have red and green in the version on there, and you could theoretically cast the caller and/or squee or the master, but most of the time the card color is irrelevant.
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You currently have contact going down when you click on a certain section, I recommend the name of section going down so it's more clear which section you're in. Note that this is not the matter with the help section, so it might be an unplanned event that contact goes to the next line. Point remains that it is important to give a direction on which section is currently looked at.
I am not totally understanding what you are saying.  By contact, do you mean the green box?  It's not supposed to do that.  Is it going on to the second line?  It doesn't do that on any computer I've tried it on.  Anyone else having this issue?  On what pages is it dropping it down so I can check out the code for it?

I could put a name on the page, but I have set it up so the bar at the top of your webbrowser tells you exactly where you are.  Try going back and looking at it while you navigate the site.  Is this not good enough?  Should I put a title right under the nav bar, like I have for the decklists (eventually primers)?
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I like your initiative and looks like it will have the function morphling.de and starcitygames previously had with their decks to beat section, shame they discontinued that.
That is exactly why I am doing this.  There was also a site on geocities that had alot of content and fell into disrepair and eventually dissappeared.  I like the history of magic, and the chronicalling of what goes on.  I'm the last person to usually come up with new tech, and when I do it's either total jank or it just downright sucks, but if you come to me and say "whats in this deck?", I may not know the exact card count, but I can give an almost perfect account of the card names, right up to that month's version.  I like watching the decks grow and evolve.

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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2006, 05:51:11 am »

R&B list: have you considered an excell table? Like, with lines?

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I am not totally understanding what you are saying.  By contact, do you mean the green box?  It's not supposed to do that.  Is it going on to the second line?  It doesn't do that on any computer I've tried it on.  Anyone else having this issue?  On what pages is it dropping it down so I can check out the code for it?



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I could put a name on the page, but I have set it up so the bar at the top of your webbrowser tells you exactly where you are.  Try going back and looking at it while you navigate the site.  Is this not good enough?  Should I put a title right under the nav bar, like I have for the decklists (eventually primers)?

Ah, didn't notice that. Yeah, I guess that does the trick.
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