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« on: January 22, 2006, 10:57:58 pm » |
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Can Pithing Needle effectively shut down Cadaverous Bloom or is it considered a mana ability? Thanx ahead of time.  |
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2006, 11:18:05 pm » |
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Cadaverous Bloom is a mana ability. So is Squandered Resources.
Anything that has "add mana to your mana pool" after a cost and colon is a mana ability. (Tapping is cost.)
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2006, 01:15:59 am » |
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Yeah. Even drawing off Chromatic Sphere is actually a mana ability, since it involves adding mana to your mana pool.
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2006, 01:25:22 am » |
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Oh, the obvious exception: a triggered ability that adds mana to your pool (Mana Drain, Priest of Gix, etc.) is obviously not a mana ability, since it is a triggered ability. There's no such thing as a triggered mana ability.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2006, 08:45:36 am » |
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There's no such thing as a triggered mana ability.
That's actually incorrect. While Mana Drain's trigger is not a mana ability, triggered mana abilities do exist. Triggered abilities that trigger off another mana ability are considered mana abilities. This includes cards such as Mirari's Wake. |
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2006, 09:38:26 am » |
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Triggered abilities that trigger off another mana ability are considered mana abilities.
This includes cards such as Mirari's Wake.
Triggered abilities that generate mana and are triggered off another mana ability......  |
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2006, 10:22:26 am » |
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Does that mean cards like Mirari's Wake and Heartbeat of Spring do not use the stack, and therefore the triggers cannot be responded to?
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2006, 12:35:37 pm » |
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2006, 02:13:56 pm » |
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Wow, thanx for the feedback guys. You guys are great. |
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2006, 10:48:29 pm » |
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What about the damage from city of brass or ancient tomb? Say if you're at one, and you tap city, can you play instants in response with the mana from the city?
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2006, 11:00:17 pm » |
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What about the damage from city of brass or ancient tomb? Say if you're at one, and you tap city, can you play instants in response with the mana from the city?
City is unusual because the damage is a triggered ability (that's why tapping it to Tangle Wire or Icy still causes the damage). When the trigger goes on the stack, the mana is already in your pool, so you can respond to the trigger. Ancient Tomb, Adarkar Wastes, etc deal damage as part of the ability, so there is no trigger to respond to. |
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2006, 11:22:00 pm » |
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There's no such thing as a triggered mana ability.
While Mana Drain's trigger is not a mana ability, triggered mana abilities do exist. Triggered abilities that trigger off another mana ability are considered mana abilities. So how about Carpet of Flowers, Blinkmoth Urn, Vineyard...? |
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2006, 11:45:55 pm » |
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Phase-triggered abilities that generate mana are not mana abilities.
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2006, 11:56:06 pm » |
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You see????
This is why people call us geeks!!!
But seriously, thanks for the clarifications. I had no idea this question was this complicated.
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2006, 12:00:48 am » |
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Fun Fact: (I forgot where I read this)
Karplusan Forest deals the damage as part of the mana ability, whereas City of Brass deals the damage as part of a triggered ability on the card being tapped. What this means is that if I am at one life and you are at three and I have a lightning bolt in hand, then City of Brass will let me win the game but Karplusan Forest won't.
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2006, 02:28:05 am » |
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Karplusan Forest deals the damage as part of the mana ability, whereas City of Brass deals the damage as part of a triggered ability on the card being tapped. What this means is that if I am at one life and you are at three and I have a lightning bolt in hand, then City of Brass will let me win the game but Karplusan Forest won't. Well, not quite. The CoB trigger will go on the stack on top of Lightning Bolt, and thus resolve first, killing you. However, if you are at 1 and tap Tendrils with at least 1 spell played before it in the turn, then you can stack the Storm and CoB triggers not to kill you provided you announce Tendrils first and then tap CoB. |
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2006, 02:32:41 am » |
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Karplusan Forest deals the damage as part of the mana ability, whereas City of Brass deals the damage as part of a triggered ability on the card being tapped. What this means is that if I am at one life and you are at three and I have a lightning bolt in hand, then City of Brass will let me win the game but Karplusan Forest won't. Well, not quite. The CoB trigger will go on the stack on top of Lightning Bolt, and thus resolve first, killing you. However, if you are at 1 and tap Tendrils with at least 1 spell played before it in the turn, then you can stack the Storm and CoB triggers not to kill you provided you announce Tendrils first and then tap CoB. If you Tap CoB first, add the mana to your pool, then anncounce Bolt, you can win in the situation, as Bolt will resolve first. You'd only lose if you activated CoB during announcement of Bolt. |
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2006, 09:42:07 am » |
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I'm qutting rulesing. I've been on a roll of being completely wrong lately. Of course, answering stuff at like 3 am isn't helping....
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2006, 01:51:54 pm » |
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I'm qutting rulesing. I've been on a roll of being completely wrong lately. Of course, answering stuff at like 3 am isn't helping....
It wasn't so much wrong. It's just there were two possible outcomes and you only covered one.  |
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