[Discussion] Unrestrictions?

[Evenpence]

Chaos Orb and Falling Star...are not mechanics that have ANY place in tournament-legal Magic

That is an opinion that rests on one philosophy, likely that Magic is a game of skill and not dexterity.  My philosophy is different: Wizards printed the card, let me play with it.  I have yet to be convinced by any argument that Chaos Orb should be banned.  I played when it was legal and loved it.

Arguing that Orb is 'too good' is irrelevant.  That no longer seems to be a criterion for banning, and furthermore there are many better cards currently Vintage-legal.  Of course Orb should be restricted, as it was before.

Chaos Orb IS too good though.  If it was unbanned it would definitely get restricted.  Vindicate does what it does, only Vindicate is 1BW!  It's two colors, Chaos orb is NONE!  Chaos Orb lets red destroy enchantments and black destroy artifacts.  The card is sick.

They would never print this card:

Orb of Chaos
2
Artifact
1, Tap:  Destroy target permanent.

Every Standard, Extended and Legacy deck would instantly run 4 of these.  Moreover, most Vintage decks would as well, especially decks packing LD.

[The Atog Lord]

they would never print this card:

Orb of Chaos
2
Artifact
1, Tap:  Destroy target permanent.

Not untrue, but then, they would also never print this card:

Remembering the Ancestors
U
Instant
Draw three cards

[Evenpence]

Or this card:

Goblin of Welding
R
Creature - Goblin
T: Choose target artifact a player controls and target artifact card in that player’s graveyard. If both targets are still legal as this ability resolves, that player sacrifices the artifact in play, then puts the other artifact from his or her graveyard into play.

[Komatteru]

This card is even more stupid

Will to Win
2B
Sorcery
Until end of turn, you play cards out of your graveyard.  If a card would be put into your graveyard this turn, remove it from the game instead.

Man, that thing WOULD HAVE to be a joke, right?

[MoxMonkey]

Almost as good

Why DSC is Playable
2U
Sorcery
As an additional cost to play Why DSC is playable, sacrifice an artifact.
Search your library for an artifact card and put that card into play. Then shuffle your library.

[Evenpence]

Come on.  I would stop playing if Wizards ever printed cards that good, MoxMonkey and JD.

[MoxMonkey]

I got one better, its scary to think about about but here it is:

I cannot believe its not Butter
0
Artifact
Tap, Sacrifice I cannot believe its not Butter: Add three mana of any one color to your mana pool.

Man think about all the broken Turn 1 plays you could do if they printed something like this?  Oh man type 1 would be insane. 

[Evenpence]

Silly Monkey.

Type 1 wouldn't be broken because of that card.

Let's think of all the broken things you could do with that card:

You could break it for green, and then cast channel, and if you had a mountain, you could tap that for red and then play fireball after paying 19 life to channel, to deal 20 to your opponent.

Good thing we have Force of Will.

I think that card's fine.  You should post it in the Card Creation Forum.

[Matt]

Chaos Orb and Falling Star...are not mechanics that have ANY place in tournament-legal Magic

That is an opinion that rests on one philosophy, likely that Magic is a game of skill and not dexterity.  My philosophy is different: Wizards printed the card, let me play with it.  I have yet to be convinced by any argument that Chaos Orb should be banned.  I played when it was legal and loved it.

Which is why I said "tournament." Number one, as has been stated, dexterity cards are discriminatory against the handicapped, which is pretty morally repugnant. Two, they're logistical nightmares for people focused only on winning (such as, say, tournament players), because you get idiotic situations like having people tape their cards to vertical surfaces and so on. Three, the entire premise of a tournament (of ANY sport or game, not just Magic) is that it let the most skilled players win. And yes, Hymn to Tourach and coinflip cards skirt the line between acceptable randomness and unacceptable, but flip cards have definitely crossed the line.

Do you also feel that ante cards should be legal? After all, Wizards printed those, too, "Let me play with them." And what about Unglued? Your argument - "it exists so I should be able to play it in a tournament"  -  is ridiculously indefensible on its face.

[Nastaboi]

Doesn't every ante card say "Remove *this* from your deck before playing if you’re not playing for ante"? That way one could just fill their deck with all the ante cards and remove them from the deck before playing to have a 30-card deck. I bet it won't really work this way, but this wold be the second most ridiculous thing to unrestricting the moxen.

[Harlequin]

What about your opponent that is blind, or armless.  And it happens, for sure.  There was this guy down in Colorado Springs that was blind and he would have someone whisper to him the cards that were in his hand and the opponent would have to be very clear about the shit that was going on.  It is a matter of people being able to physically handle the process of dropping the card, and sometimes they just can't.

If you can have someone whisper you the cards, I'm sure you could have a friend "Pinch-Flip" for ya. 
But honestly, the 2- 1,T: Destroy multiple cards ... yeah obviously overpowered.  Maybe if it costs like 5 mana to activate the It could be legal.  Also Tournies are WAY too crowded as is, the last thing I want is for my paranoid MTG neighbor spreading all his lands across the table - where 4 other matches are being played on.

My 2cents?
- Orb in casual --> Fun a sin!
- Orb in the hands of a blind guy, or a guy with only 2 fingers and no thumbs --> give him an 'A' for effort, and let him get a few tries with that orb.  And if he still cant get it to stick... either give him a mercy card, or let someone else give 'er a flip.  Come on A+ for effort... he may not have any hands, but hes got brass marbles for running the orb anyway
- Orb in a tourny setting --> Far too difficult to impliment, and far too overpowered.