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« on: February 18, 2006, 01:24:37 pm » |
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Daron has just posted an update on what's happening in the case,you can find it here http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=32149I can't believe how much money they're asking for. I was sure he would just get a severe slap on the wrist or something to that effect. But $90,000 + Attorney fees? Jesus. I feel so bad for him right now! I really want to go to Wizards and have a sit in on their lawn. This is just insane - kicking the ever-living shit out of one of their biggest fans. Daron has always loved the game, that's why he did what he did. He spends so much of his time devoted to the online community. I don't think personal opinions on spoilers matters anymore, what matters is the fact that somebody who loves and plays this game is facing a life destroying case when all he did was post some pictures of future cards - and Wizards never once told him to stop. It's a fucking game, somebody should have to face something like this for a fucking game. As you can see, I'm a little peeved. Any thoughts? |
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2006, 01:48:13 pm » |
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I doubt anything will stem from this. I really don't think that Wizards has a case against him.
All this is, is a form of scare tactics to discourage this in the future. They may have them signing Non-Disclosure agreements in the future.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2006, 02:17:37 pm » |
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It's a fucking game, somebody should have to face something like this for a fucking game. Yes, but it's a game distributed by an enormous multi-national corporation. And Hasbro couldn't give two wanks about Daron. It's not like they haven't pursued similar actions in the past. A simple Google search of " Hasbro lawsuit" could tell anyone they don't fuck around. The primary blowback Hasbro is concerned with is one of PR. But even that is negligible, since most of the people that are following this case -- let alone those that are bothered by it -- are an insignificant minority of the people that buy boosters and keep their business profitable. Personally, I like Daron (my post count on MTGS is twice what it is here), but he's just a pawn in a much bigger story. But thanks for posting that link Urza_Insane. |
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2006, 06:52:19 pm » |
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That's zero-sum economics for ya. If R_E somehow caused a loss for WotC thru his unveiling of Magic cards, that must mean someone, somewhere made a profit. Personally I'm a little surprised that this got past the so-called "hot rocket" stage (ie the cease-and-desist which usually carries no legal ramification), as that's usually enough to dissuade people from continuing their efforts. That same Google search shows Hasbro engaging in some wild goose chases too, so with any luck at all their own misadventures may lessen their credibility.
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2006, 07:55:24 pm » |
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The people that really gained from his spoiler are all that dealers that do pre-auctions on eBay... Those people sell singles for the set based on what MTGS has listed on its spoiler...
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2006, 09:42:05 am » |
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The people that really gained from his spoiler are all that dealers that do pre-auctions on eBay... Those people sell singles for the set based on what MTGS has listed on its spoiler...
I don't think personal opinions on spoilers matters anymore...
For the last time, it's not about the MTG Salvation spoiler. It's about the fact that he posted playtest cards for Snap. |
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2006, 10:53:57 am » |
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The people that really gained from his spoiler are all that dealers that do pre-auctions on eBay... Those people sell singles for the set based on what MTGS has listed on its spoiler...
I don't think personal opinions on spoilers matters anymore...
For the last time, it's not about the MTG Salvation spoiler. It's about the fact that he posted playtest cards for Snap. The lawsuit concerns the Snap playtest cards only, but the impetus behind the lawsuit is arguably because of the constant spoilering of the sets prior to the pre-releases. Wizards has made it abundantly clear long before this lawsuit was launched that they do not appreciate such early release of information, but could probably do little legally. Release of playtest cards was perhaps exactly what they needed to finally end the early spoilers forever. It's a fucking game, somebody should have to face something like this for a fucking game. It's not "just a game", its someone's livelihood. Whether its the correct or ideal course of action for all parties involved is another story altogether. |
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2006, 06:12:08 pm » |
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For the last time, it's not about the MTG Salvation spoiler. It's about the fact that he posted playtest cards for Snap. I only stated this because many people have a persoanl prejudice against spoilers, and thus against R_E. I don't think this matters anymore and that we as magic fans need to rally behind a fellow fan. It's not "just a game", its someone's livelihood. Whether its the correct or ideal course of action for all parties involved is another story altogether. True, but should someone who loves the game, plays it, and doesn't make a livelihood from it face such extreme punishment? This is something that's going to follow him the rest of his life even if he gets off. He has a magic store,but hardly turns a profit from it. He himself has stated that he "owe's his bank thousands of dollars" due to his store. He might make this back, who knows. But he is buying box after box of product to support his site. He is helping Wizards with this. He's a psychiatric nurse. And as for it being other people's livelihood, magic is now seeling better than it ever has, if you look at the correlation between him releasing early info and magic sales, they have been going up since he started. Granted, this probably has little or nothing to do with his spoilers, but it is hard to argue that Wizards is taking a loss because of it. |
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2006, 06:35:11 pm » |
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How adequately was he warned to stop and desist? If he was adequately warned and in dialogue with Wizards, he only has the right to complain if he is willing to pay the cost (legal fees) to complain.
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2006, 08:05:46 pm » |
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How adequately was he warned to stop and desist? If he was adequately warned and in dialogue with Wizards, he only has the right to complain if he is willing to pay the cost (legal fees) to complain.
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He was apparantly not warned at all. |
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2006, 01:27:09 am » |
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How adequately was he warned to stop and desist? If he was adequately warned and in dialogue with Wizards, he only has the right to complain if he is willing to pay the cost (legal fees) to complain.Â
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Like Klep said, according to R_E he was never given a cease and desist order of any kind. The first he heard of any problem was when it was posted ONLINE that Wizards was suing him. He found out with the rest of us. That is one reason why I find this incredibly unfair. R_E is one of the most reasonable and polite magic community members I know, he wants to talk to Wizards about what they want him to do, not go to court with this. I'm sure, if asked, he would have no problem deleting or not posting any information they wanted. R_E was never malicious towards Wizards - the same can't be said both ways. |
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2006, 01:34:51 am » |
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If it is true that the first time Daron became aware of the order (aside from tacitly knowing that what he was doing was "wrong") was when he was served with Hasbro's suit, then this is really an excessive measure.
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2006, 04:42:57 pm » |
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The dismaying thing in all this on a personal note for daron is that while he may have fucked up this time he is going to be destroyed by Hasbro while Hasbro in reality seemingly gains almost nothing substantial at all.. As stated earlier in this thread Hasbro is a GIGANTIC multi-national company that could give a flying fuck about $90,000.00US What is unfortunate is that Daron certainly DOES care a great deal for the much money and it would most likely bankrupt him... I really believe that they could have gone about the whole issue a little differently, kept their name in better shape (even though its only the 50,000 or so people who read the online stuff that really know anything about it) and not destroyed a small family trying to make it in this world... Why cant we all just get along  |
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2006, 05:17:05 pm » |
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Why cant we all just get along Good question. This world would be a much better place. |
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