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Am I interpreting the rules correctly if I say that one can imprint Research // Development onto Isochron scepter?
Research // Development
Type: Instant // Instant
Cost: UG // 3UR
Oracle: Choose up to four cards you own from outside the game and shuffle them into your library.
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Put a 3/1 red Elemental creature token into play unless any opponent lets you draw a card. Repeat this process two more times.
Isochron Scepter
Imprint — When Isochron Scepter comes into play, you may remove an instant card with converted mana cost 2 or less in your hand from the game. (The removed card is imprinted on this artifact.)
2, T: You may copy the imprinted instant card. If you do, you may play the copy without paying its mana cost.
Rules:
505.5. Effects that ask for a particular characteristic of a split card while it's in a zone other than the stack get two answers (one for each of the split card's two halves).
505.6. Effects that ask if a split card's characteristic (in any zone other than the stack) matches a given value get only one answer. This
answer is "yes" if either side of the split card matches the given value.
I'm leaning totoward05.6, since isochron doesn't ask for the converted mana cost it just checks for a value of 2 or less and one "yes" is enough. I vaguely rerememberome "ask the judge" column or other where it was explicitly explained how split cards work with the scepter but I can't find it again, so I'm asking here.
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2006, 07:27:31 am » |
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Yes, you can imprint it using Research's characteristics, but use both sides either side via Isochron's activated ability. They actually ran an article on MTG.com the other day that summarized all of the relevant rulings on split cards. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/af116 |
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« Last Edit: May 02, 2006, 12:32:32 pm by Matt »
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2006, 08:11:53 am » |
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Well, talk about not seeing the forest for all the trees. Thanks for the link.
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2006, 04:30:30 am » |
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if the split cards can be played like this, then I am going to try and make a deck for it.
research // development and odds and ends just became a lot more fun to play.
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2006, 02:15:30 pm » |
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Rules:
505.5. Effects that ask for a particular characteristic of a split card while it's in a zone other than the stack get two answers (one for each of the split card's two halves).
So how would it work if you flip a split card to Dark Confident? Would the life loss be the sum of the two converted mana costs? |
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2006, 02:32:59 pm » |
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Yes. You would lose life for both halves.
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2006, 01:00:03 pm » |
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I wonder if you could tap the Scepter, put a copy of Research onto the stack, and when it resolves, take the physical card Research that was imprinted on Scepter? What would happen?
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2006, 01:15:47 pm » |
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You would be able to do this i guess. But if I'm correct you can't use your scepter after that anymore because it has 'lost' it's imprinted card. I'm almost sure about this, because something like this came up with wishing for a sceptered card, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2006, 06:42:48 pm » |
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Just because you get the card back doesn't mean it is no longer imprinted. This is perfectly wrong. That is EXACTLY what it means. When cards change zones, they are treated as new cards, and when an imprinted card leaves the RFG zone, Scepter loses track of it, and no longer has an imprinted card. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=magic/faq/mirrodinScroll down to Chrome Mox: "If an imprinted card is returned to the game (with a Wish from the Judgment set, for example), the imprint ability loses track of it and that card is no longer imprinted." |
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2006, 05:33:28 pm » |
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Just because you get the card back doesn't mean it is no longer imprinted. This is perfectly wrong. That is EXACTLY what it means. When cards change zones, they are treated as new cards, and when an imprinted card leaves the RFG zone, Scepter loses track of it, and no longer has an imprinted card. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=magic/faq/mirrodinScroll down to Chrome Mox: "If an imprinted card is returned to the game (with a Wish from the Judgment set, for example), the imprint ability loses track of it and that card is no longer imprinted."My mistake, i had been informed otherwise by a friend of mine who i assumed knew the rules better then me, and my above post has been deleted accordingly. |
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2006, 09:25:37 pm » |
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I think the lesson here is: never listen to your friends, always listen to me.  |
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2006, 09:33:45 pm » |
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I think the lesson here is: never listen to your friends, always listen to me. Lesson 1 in "Matts rules to live by"? |
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