[Discussion] What is your ideal Banned/Restricted list?

Quote from: klu on June 03, 2006, 03:53:20 am

I'm afraid of seeing people asking for ywill ban.. This card is absolutely broken for sure, but it is THE card for which Vintage is what it is now. Plus, it would be the first banned card of the format and the open gate on more ban. You know, you can accept the "i loose/win factor", it does not requires ywill to exist.

My point of view on the restrict/ unrestrict thinking is that it should be a way for deckbuilders to constantly produce better deck. In that way, I would like to see unrestricted most of the current cards. Don't say : "you're fool", exclamation based only on theory, and not on results.
For that, i really aggry with Tin_MoxI, the B&R list has to be a lot more flexible : restrict/unrestrict a spoiler, see what happen in the two next months in the top8s and (un)restrict it again if it appears to be unbalanced.

Here are the cards i'd like to see unrestricted :

Black Vise obviously
Burning Wish (this OR led)
Channel we don't see any deck playing this card. That would be interesting to see the work that could be done around
Chrome Mox don't really know for this
Crop Rotation don't really know for this too
Dream Halls obviously
Enlightened Tutor obviously
Entomb can't see what led to it's restriction
Fact or Fiction this one is really arguable but i think we should try with it unres. to see in what way it is "broken enough to be restricted"
Frantic Search This is THE card i would prefer to be unres. because it can lead to sooooo many new deckbuilds
Grim Monolith what deck would want to play them as 4-off?
Gush feeding tog is laughable here, we're talking about vintage or not?
Lion's Eye Diamond (this OR B-wish)
Mind Over Matter obviously
Mind Twist why not? people will just play more misdi
Mox Diamond imagine combo's deck with 4 "can't be played spell". unrestricting this would only allow lftl to be played in vintage, wish i really would like to be
Regrowth so few decks are playing it
Time Spiral reaching 6 mana is sooo hard that the card of that cost must be absolutely broken"
Voltaic Key obviously

the card i would restrict :

Brainstorm !! : don't laugh : this is THE best draw spell just behind ancestral recall and it is the most top8 represented card before fow (recent statistics) it finds orchard, oath, and most of the ywill needed parts. What is the interest of banning will if there are not the best part of the deck in it. How will the decks find their spoilers?

A strong argument i can give for all the changes is that it will lead to more deckbuilding from everyone and less netdeck. New ideas will appears and some more diversity too.

I'm quoting myself because i think it is quite a good summary of what have been debated about most of the cards to be restricted.
I really don't think that it is yawgmoth's will that is restricting the format. I do think it is the mentality of most players, their laziness and their ability to netdeck.

As someone said earlier, this is only my opinion, but i really think the R&B should be a lot more flexible than what it is ATM. Things must be tested and not only argued. This would lead to less netdeck and a lot more work for everybody to have a good deck abusing a card or another.

Edit :
Nearly 2 years ago, I've built a deck that people said it was bad because it was not an archetype and it has only 2 win conditions. Now, this deck won me 3 elements of power, and helped me top8 to at least 3/4 of the tournaments i've played with
Even Smennen inspired himself with that deck. Now his list is well known and lots of people are netdecking it without changes. I find that last fact quite sad

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