Illissius
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Guess What  Instant As an additional cost to play CARDNAME, pay  ,  ,  , or  . If you paid , search your library for an artifact or enchantment card; if you paid , for an instant card; if you paid , for a sorcery card; if you paid , for a creature or land card. Reveal the card, shuffle your library, then put the card on top of it. The other big problem with this card is how to word and template it so that it (a) fits on a card and (b) isn't painful to read. I rather like it; it's a traditional black fetch-anything, while also requiring the specific color for what you want to get. Sort of like all the Mirage tutors in one. I went with the Wishes for color <-> card type correlations, as with the Mirage tutors for example, neither lands nor red are included. Power level wise, this is more versatile than the Mirage tutors, but also slower (or in the case of Vampiric, just plain slower). It also requires you to play a bunch of colors. I am waiting for someone to inform me that Wizards now thinks the Mirage tutors were ridiculously broken and this needs to cost at least seven mana. (For me, it's the Wishes which tell me something like this is acceptable. The only one which gives me pause is Golden. I don't know what R&D was smo^W thinking, but I think they overcosted it by at least one and probably two mana.) current version
Consult the Swamp King
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If was spent to play Consult the Swamp King, search your library for an artifact or enchantment card; if was spent, for an instant card; if was spent, for a sorcery card; if was spent, for a creature or land card.
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2006, 11:48:21 pm » |
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Ooh, nice! I like it. I thought it was too good but that was when I thought it put the card in your hand.
The thing about Golden Wish was that the majority of combo decks have been based around enchantments and artifacts and they didn't want to enable those.
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2006, 04:00:37 am » |
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Nice. I like this idea.
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2006, 09:38:27 am » |
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Ooh, nice! I like it. I thought it was too good but that was when I thought it put the card in your hand.
same  I really like the idea. its like a worldly, mystical and enlightened tutor together, so its amazing. Putting on top of library is great to make it more balanced. nice combo with Isochron Scepter |
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2006, 10:52:13 am » |
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Why not make an additional black mana usefull aswell?
I really like it though, if it seems to good, just make it sorcery, that should fix it.
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2006, 11:17:51 am » |
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Guess What Instant As an additional cost to play CARDNAME, pay , , , or . If you paid , search your library for an artifact or enchantment card; if you paid , for an instant card; if you paid , for a sorcery card; if you paid , for a creature or land card. Reveal the card, shuffle your library, then put the card on top of it. I think the one, if added, should be, "If you paid , add the chosen card to your hand instead. Lose 3 life." |
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2006, 12:00:27 pm » |
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Thats not exactly what i meant.....and besides, it would need to be something like a kicker cost, since you cant just pay all 5 colors for the tutor  only 2... /Zeus |
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2006, 01:10:36 pm » |
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I think the best way to template this is as a 1B Instant that uses the Ravnica templating of "If you paid W, search your library for an artifact or enchantment card; if you paid U..."
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2006, 02:19:54 pm » |
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This card looks great, but what happens if you decide to pay, for example, BUR? Can you pay for all effects? If then, how do stack the cards?
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Illissius
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2006, 03:40:42 pm » |
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Why not make an additional black mana usefull aswell?
I thought of that, but couldn't think of anything good for it to do. Black doesn't have any specific card type to search for; so we're left with either searching for any card, which would detract from its multicolored nature (I don't want this to be very useful in monoblack decks); or doing something else entirely, which is pointless. (Paying additional black as well as another color is also possible, to, say, put the card directly in your hand; but that's just messy, for not much gain.) This card looks great, but what happens if you decide to pay, for example, BUR? Can you pay for all effects? If then, how do stack the cards?
You can't. It would need either "and/or", or "any number of times" for that to be possible. As multiple people seem to be confused by this, it could be solved either by (You may choose only one.), or by using Anusien's version. I think the best way to template this is as a 1B Instant that uses the Ravnica templating of "If you paid W, search your library for an artifact or enchantment card; if you paid U..."
I considered this, and (at the time) didn't see it as either better nor worse than the additional cost version. It would look something like this: CARDNAME Instant If was spent to play CARDNAME, search your library for an artifact or enchantment card; if was spent, for an instant card; if was spent, for a sorcery card; if was spent, for a creature or land card. Reveal the card, shuffle your library, then put the card on top of it. Maybe this is better? There's the issue of what happens if you have Sphere of Resistance, Trinisphere, or the like, and spend multiple colors. |
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2006, 04:43:00 pm » |
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Well, it's obvious what interaction happens with 3Sphere or 1Sphere: all relevant effects happen in addition. But your original wording may be best, except the trick of saying "as an additional cost, you may pay W or U or R or G. If you pay R..." seems much wordier for some reason.
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2006, 11:34:51 pm » |
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Yeah, I tried for like 5 minutes to think if there was a better way to word this, and I was actually kind of shocked that I didn't find one. The original wording is surprisingly good.
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2006, 11:58:07 pm » |
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The formal wording of this card may be too long to fit on a card, since technically, I think this needs to be worded as, "If was spent to play Guess What, search your library for..." for each colour. It may be possible to use a less formal wording, but I don't know Wizards' policy on condensed wordings. I would recommend using the formal wording for the first instance, just to set a precedent for what the following instances are condensing. In any case, one way that you can save a line is simply to include the additional cost in the real casting cost and then just let the card text explain how to deal with it, like so: Guess What Instant If was spent to play Guess What, search your library for an artifact or enchantment card; if was paid, for an instant card; if was paid, for a sorcery card; or if was paid, for a creature or land card. Reveal the card, shuffle your library, then put the card on top of it. *** With this wording, I am almost tempted to make the last line, "Reveal each card you searched for, shuffle your library, then put those cards on top of it in any order." That makes this card combo with cards like Sphere of Resistance and Fist of Suns. |
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2006, 12:22:05 pm » |
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I really really like that last version Ephraim. It turns a wording difficulty into a surprisingly neat little effect.
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2006, 04:09:17 am » |
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Could we go as far as add that if BB was paid, search the library for any card and put it on top? It would than mirror all Mirage Tutors.
But as a general idea, this is a very solid card. I like it.
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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2006, 06:58:42 am » |
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Could we go as far as add that if BB was paid, search the library for any card and put it on top? It would than mirror all Mirage Tutors.
But as a general idea, this is a very solid card. I like it.
No. That defeats the purpose of this card being pseudo-multicoloured. Why would you ever pay BG to get a creature or a land when you could pay BB to get anything (even if there were a life payment involved.) I think that the point of this card was that although it is black, you can't just pay BB to go get whatever you want. |
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2006, 03:46:14 pm » |
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Okay, current version updated -- I decided to go with Ephraim's suggestion.
Also thought of a name, even if it took forever, as it usually does.
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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2006, 05:12:20 pm » |
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Just wanted to say thatb this rules text looks beautiful on a card, with all the mana symbols. I also relly appreciate the card, as it is one of the most flexible tutors as of recent, and doesn't have HORRIBLE drawbacks like Night Dealings (anyone remember this one?) or Long Term Plans (thank god it was uncommon. I would have cried otherwise. Seriously.)
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