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Just wondering what people thought of the power level: Yawgmoth's Tutor  Restricted in Vintage Banned in LegacySearch your library for a card and set it aside. Remove your hand, graveyard and library from the game. Then put that card on the stack without paying its casting cost. The education is unparalleled, but the tuition costs are murder.Yawgmoth's Tutor
Search your library for a spell and set it aside. Remove your hand, graveyard, library, and all permanents you control from the game. Then put that spell on the stack without paying its casting cost. |
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2006, 12:35:19 pm » |
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Turn one. Kobold, Swamp, Yawgmoth's Tutor, Bio Rhythm.
Seem pretty broken.
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2006, 01:04:02 pm » |
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So it's Tinker for one mana and for any card. Uh, no, this would be the single best card ever printed.
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2006, 01:10:58 pm » |
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In general, I don't like cards which are either (a) completely unusable, or (b) completely fucking broken, but not anywhere in between.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2006, 01:28:10 pm » |
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We've got to bear in mind that this would obviously be banned in Legacy and restricted Vintage, which means turn one kills won't be particularly common. Maybe the cost should be increased, but then if this were ever released it would be legal in Standard, but then it would be the single most dominating card in every metagame, so unless it was a promo card I can't see it would ever get released.
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2006, 03:47:22 pm » |
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No, this would still be the most dominating card in every deck in every constructed format. Trust me on this, there is no way to balance this kind of Tinker effect without costing it into uselessness. See Sins of the Past, which only gets cards from your graveyard, and only instants and sorceries, and yet costs six mana.
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2006, 04:11:49 pm » |
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Yeah, but I don't think I've ever seen Sins of the Past used, which I think says enough about it  . I'm not saying that this card is fair, but I do think it's not as uber-powerful as everyone thinks. EDIT: I do agree it's extremely broken though. |
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2006, 05:11:09 pm » |
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You all are right. "Remove all permanents you control from the game" should be added to it.
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2006, 06:18:30 pm » |
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Is it an instant or a sorcery?
Without something like "(If it has X in its mana cost, X is 0.)" Can't you just go for a Kaervek's Torch and burn your opponent out for like 666,666 all for one black mana?
Also, I don't think we should be designing cards that are restricted and/or banned right out of the gates.
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2006, 06:39:57 pm » |
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Umm, no. Just no. This is all wrong.
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2006, 10:00:55 pm » |
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Shock Wave is right. Adding any drawback except more mana (lots more) is not going to balance this. Closed for not having a future.
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