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« on: July 23, 2006, 11:17:23 pm »

Why is the second place prize in the Legacy Champs better than the second place prize in the Vintage Champs?  Both get the same amount of boosters, but the Legacy tournament gives out 10 duals to the second place person.  I just realized this and am wondering if anybody on the boards had any possible explanation.
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2006, 12:03:42 am »

Because Wizards is possibly intrigued by what they saw (marketwise) out of the 2 test GPs for Legacy and are considering supporting it more, possibly?

That would seem to be a potential logical explanation.
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2006, 01:04:57 am »

In my eyes, the Vintage 1st place prize seems much better than the Legacy. The second place prize is most likely a result of this.
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2006, 08:07:27 am »

For the ignorant: what is the first place prize for Legacy?
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2006, 11:38:22 am »

40x Revised Dual lands.
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2006, 12:59:27 pm »

Who wants a non-playable piece of power? I'll take 40x Revised dual lands since I have no interest in eBaying said artwork.
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2006, 03:33:06 pm »

Who wants a non-playable piece of power? I'll take 40x Revised dual lands since I have no interest in eBaying said artwork.

You could buy 400 revised duals with the proceeds of selling that artwork...
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2006, 03:42:55 pm »

40x RV duals are about $850 in NM condition. The painting should be worth more than that I would suppose.
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2006, 03:43:34 pm »

I'll be playing in both the Legacy and Vintage main events so I have a shot (albiet a small one) at both!
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2006, 04:21:02 pm »

Who wants a non-playable piece of power? I'll take 40x Revised dual lands since I have no interest in eBaying said artwork.

You could buy 400 revised duals with the proceeds of selling that artwork...

No, you couldn't. That painting will be worth about $800-$1100, if you have any idea of what other original Magic art is worth. I own a few pieces, and I wouldn't spend more than $1000 for that Mox Pearl, which was never published.

The two 1st prizes are roughly the same. I would expect more people to play in the Legacy Championships this year than the Vintage Championship, so perhaps that's why the prize scale is adjusted as it is.
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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2006, 04:58:50 pm »

The two 1st prizes are roughly the same. I would expect more people to play in the Legacy Championships this year than the Vintage Championship, so perhaps that's why the prize scale is adjusted as it is.

However, I wonder which costs Wizards more to produce? I would assume Wizards can acquire cards without much problem. If they don't already have them, most dealers would love to get on Wizards good side by providing cheap Duals. I honestly have no idea how much it costs Wizards to commission art, but it seems like it would be more than 40x Duals.
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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2006, 05:21:00 pm »

The Legacy Champs Tournament is 15 tickets, while the Vintage Champs is only 12.
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2006, 12:11:52 am »

This isn't on topic, but I just realized it and its not worth its own thread.

The FAQ says Coldsnap will not be legal until Aug 20th--after GenCon.  I'm assuming there's a number of people on here that don't know that.
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2006, 02:34:02 am »

This isn't on topic, but I just realized it and its not worth its own thread.

The FAQ says Coldsnap will not be legal until Aug 20th--after GenCon.  I'm assuming there's a number of people on here that don't know that.

Crap.  Well no more awsomeness.

Edit:  I guess I'll have my new Coldsnap innovation up and discussed soon in the Forums.
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2006, 11:56:39 am »

So no counterbalance and jotun grunt?
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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2006, 01:22:43 pm »

The two 1st prizes are roughly the same. I would expect more people to play in the Legacy Championships this year than the Vintage Championship, so perhaps that's why the prize scale is adjusted as it is.

However, I wonder which costs Wizards more to produce? I would assume Wizards can acquire cards without much problem. If they don't already have them, most dealers would love to get on Wizards good side by providing cheap Duals. I honestly have no idea how much it costs Wizards to commission art, but it seems like it would be more than 40x Duals.

I don't really think cost is an issue. I have spoken to a number of artists personally about comissioning works (including Mark Poole, who did the Ancestral Recall redux), and it's not quite as expensive as some people might think. My best educated guess is that they probably paid the artists different amounts, but that they haven't spent more than $400-800 on any commissioned artwork. If someone like Dan Frazier, Mark Poole, Chris Rush, or Mark Tedin isn't willing to play ball, they can always hire an up and coming artist to do a 'redux,' and they will be glad to do it for a little bit of money and the exposure it provides for the artists' portfolio.
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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2006, 09:01:54 am »

maybe you should pm roland and ask the estimate he got on his prize
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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2006, 02:53:40 am »

If anyone from NC/SC is going to either of these events, please PM me ASAP to talk about the possibility of carpooling. It's less than two weeks away!
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