Send your cards to Roland!

[Gabethebabe]

I post this here, since I think this is the most read forum.

Probably most of you heard what happened to Roland Chang.
If you´ve been elsewhere: CLICKY

Iamfishman is going to organize a benefit tourney for Roland and Jacob. Few of the TMD community will be able to attend.
But that doesn´t mean we cannot help. For those of you that want to do something: well, take a couple of cards  - useful stuff that sells - from your tradebinder, put it in an envelope and send it to Roland. It´s that simple.

I took a REV Tundra and Sol Ring and a FBB Mind Twist and will send it today. It´s not that hard to part with some stuff in your trade binder. It hasn´t got to be much, but if many us do, it will add up to something.

Good luck to Roland and Jacob.

Address removed at Roland's request.
-- Rich

[M.Solymossy]

I wholeheartedly Agree.

[andrewpate]

People should post what they send.  No reason for him to get 13 Mindslavers.  I'll post what I send later once I have a chance to figure out what I have laying around.

[Kowal]

People should post what they send.  No reason for him to get 13 Mindslavers.  I'll post what I send later once I have a chance to figure out what I have laying around.

13 Mindslavers turns in to other cards.  Best not to restrict what people feel is an adequate donation, as it may prevent people from donating.

[andrewpate]

Ah, fair enough.

[Komatteru]

Roland will also be at Gencon, so that's a good chance to give him some stuff.

[Draven]

My biggest fear of going to tournies is losing my deck. Power, drains, duals etc... However, losing an entire collection like this is just unspeakable. I do have some advice to all out there, it is called collector's insurance.

I have my collection insured for $7,000. Guess how much it costs a month? Less than $5.00, yup, less than $5.00 a month added to my car insurance a month.

It is a very good deal to those who really want protection on their investments.

Good luck...

[JACO]

I think everybody should send Roland some personalized cards (signed and/or altered), so he knows where he got everything in the community. I'm all for posting what you're sending him.

That being said, Roland, let me know what you've got when you get back from GenCon this weekend, and I'll mail you some customized goodies you don't have, and then I'll edit this post so others know what you've got already.

[+t]

I think everybody should send Roland some personalized cards (signed and/or altered), so he knows where he got everything in the community. I'm all for posting what you're sending him.

That being said, Roland, let me know what you've got when you get back from GenCon this weekend, and I'll mail you some customized goodies you don't have, and then I'll edit this post so others know what you've got already.

This is a really cute idea, but I thought the idea behind doing this was to actually sell the cards.  Cards altered/signed not by the artist typically are harder to move then regular cards.

[Gekoratel]

I agree that it would be a bad idea to personalize all of the cards that you're sending.  If the person sending the cards only did it on 1 or 2 cards to let him know who it's from etc. then that seems like a fine idea.

[NULLROD]

I'll start:

I've given Roland:

1 Unl Mox Pearl
4x Beta Sinkhole
4x MM Signed Bstorm
4x Fow
1 Japanese Yawg's Will

Definitely donate, guys. Although Roland won't have trouble playing stax for gencon, it will still be important for him in the long run to get what he lost. Keep it up!

[Hi-Val]

I sent along some choice bits from my meagre trade binder!

[Changster]

Just to let everyone know who haven't seen already... here's a list of cards I have received from everyone who has sent in cards to me.  Thanks to everyone who has contributed.  I know who you are and I will eventually find you to personally thank you if I have not already.

Here’s a list as of August 13th:
$363 Cash/Checks
1 x Mox Jet (Unlimited)
1 x Mox Pearl (Unlimited)
1 x Imperial Seal (Japanese)
4 x Force of Will   
4 x Sinkhole (2 x Alpha, 2 x Beta)
4 x Brainstorm (Foil Mercadian Masques)
1 x Mana Vault (Beta)
1 x Mana Drain (English)
7 x Demonic Tutor (1 x Beta, 1 x FBB, 5 x Revised)
4 x Smokestack
4 x Goblin Welder
4 x Sphere of Resistance
4 x Crucible of Worlds (Foil)
4 x Tangle Wire (1 x Foil)
5 x Sol Ring (1 x Beta, 4 x Revised)
1 x Mana Crypt
1 x Yawgmoth’s Will
2 x Mind Twist
3 x Phyrexian Scuta
1 x Necropotence
1 x Razia, Boros Archangel
1 x Giant Solifuge
1 x Glare of Subdual
1 x Worldgorger Dragon (Japanese)
1 x Promise of Bunrei (Foil)
2 x Armageddon (DCI Foil)
4 x Swords to Plowshares
2 x Mana Vault
1 x Memory Jar
3 x Karn, Silver Golem (1 x Foil)
4 x Dimir Cutpurse
1 x Back to Basics
1 x Counterspell (Arena)
1 x Ancient Tomb
2 x City of Brass (Foil, Italian)
1 x Adarkar Wastes
3 x Brushlands
6 x Sulfurous Springs
6 x Karplusan Forest
1 x Underground Sea
2 x Taiga
8 x Wasteland (4 x DCI Foil, 4 x Japanese)
1 x Jester’s Cap (9th)

Thanks!

-Roland

[NWI Team_Zilla]

Everyone gets cards stolen at least once in their magic lifetimes, either when their six learning how to play or when thier older and should be more careful.  The point is Chang got shafted and he has to deal with it like the rest of us.  Its just a game, posting this crap on tmd is biased and greedy, I can understand his friends, some of which are tmd admins feeling for him and chipping in but anything else is just greedy and self centered for lack of better words.  I know people who had both of their legs blown off in Iraq and are in their 20's dying of cancer (both of which play magic btw) who have basically lost thier lives and I don't see any threads set up for them. 

Well that just my 2 cents. Your welcome to flame me now for being an opponent to this nonsense and having my heart and mind in the right places. Or the admin can delete my post for breaking some tmd rule, like not conforming to all the other communists.  Whichever works for you guys a guess.

[rureddy31]

Lol. That's the kind of idealogoy that epitomizes the United States of America. You sir are the type of person that is wrong with this world. "Who cares about that homeless person? There are a millions more, why help him, why not the other guy?"

First off, Roland didn't ASK for anything. People are WILLINGLY donating these cards to him. Something unfortunate happened to him, and it is our job (the more forunate) to help him out.

Sure, the situation could have prevented, but that's true for everything. You can prevent everything by being more careful, but that only really sinks in once something bad happens to you.

Kindness in this world is often overshadowed with the bad. What we have to realize is that selfishness accomplishes nothing. How many people are on this site? Lets say 500. If everybody chipped in $5 dollars, or even $10, thats $2500-$5000. We can help Roland get back to where he used to be. Roland is out not only his own cards, but friends' cards as well. To say that this act of kindness is "greedy" is ridiculous. People get shafted, and it should be our job to help them on their feet again.

Do I need to quote the Bible, cause I will.

 

[GUnit]

Quoting the bible will support his sort of stand-point likely more than it will refute it.

Please, guys, just ignore that post and focus on the main point of this thread. He can believe whatever he wants to believe, and Roland won't be any better/worse off for it, so long as people keep sending him stuff.

[Moxlotus]

Everyone gets cards stolen at least once in their magic lifetimes, either when their six learning how to play or when thier older and should be more careful.  The point is Chang got shafted and he has to deal with it like the rest of us.  Its just a game, posting this crap on tmd is biased and greedy, I can understand his friends, some of which are tmd admins feeling for him and chipping in but anything else is just greedy and self centered for lack of better words.  I know people who had both of their legs blown off in Iraq and are in their 20's dying of cancer (both of which play magic btw) who have basically lost thier lives and I don't see any threads set up for them. 

Well that just my 2 cents. Your welcome to flame me now for being an opponent to this nonsense and having my heart and mind in the right places. Or the admin can delete my post for breaking some tmd rule, like not conforming to all the other communists.  Whichever works for you guys a guess.

Please quote where the hell he asked people to send him shit.  It was all other people doing something nice.  Why the fuck would you chastise people for doing something charitable?  Do you tell people whose houses burned down "too fucking bad, if you accept charity you are a greedy piece of shit." 

Do you even know what the fuck communism means?  If TMD demanded that everybody send him something or they get booted, that would be closer to communism.  Completely volunteering charity is capitalism you dumbshit.

Yes, people get hurt in Iraq and have cancer.  Guess what?  There are charities in existance for them.  If they accept any of that, are you going to call them greedy sons of bitches?

Man, I am about as far right on the political scale as possible, but I seriously don't even understand where you are coming from.

[taniquetil]

NWI-
No one is MAKING you send anything to anybody. It's just lucky for Roland he's got lots of friends and lots of places who are willing to look out for him.

As for being a communist, sorry buddy, you're about 50 years too late. Y'know, they teach kids about people like you in High School history classes.

quote(some random textbook)/ There was an evil man who though everybody who didn't wholeheartedly support him was a communist and should be put out of a job and have their relatives marked for all eternity./quote

This is voluntary charity idiot. There are some people like Null Rod who have donated hundreds of dollars worth of powerful Vintage staples, down to the people who've chipped in with a few Standard chase rares.

You shouldn't berate someone's friends for trying to convince people to help a guy out in his time of need. And don't even try to make a comparison to Iraq. Wounded soldiers fighting for America have my deepest sympathies and I wholeheartedly support them, but they weren't forced into fighting, they volunteered to serve their nation. Roland didn't volunteer to have a new car's worth of money stolen from him, there's a big difference.

Don't try to come onto the 'please help out our World Champion' thread and convinve people not to donate stuff. No one's making anybody do anything, no one's even making you read this thread. Mr. I am pro-moneymaking at whatever the cost, would it be right for someone to walk into a business and advise people not to buy stuff?

I think just for this dude, we should give Roland a Purple Heart or something, contract Vroman to do an extreme alteration on like, a Sol Ring. That would be pretty sweet.

Oh, and btw:
quote: People should post what they send.  No reason for him to get 13 Mindslavers. /quote

He doesn't have any Mindslavers yet

[Khahan]

Everyone gets cards stolen at least once in their magic lifetimes, either when their six learning how to play or when thier older and should be more careful.  The point is Chang got shafted and he has to deal with it like the rest of us.  Its just a game, posting this crap on tmd is biased and greedy, I can understand his friends, some of which are tmd admins feeling for him and chipping in but anything else is just greedy and self centered for lack of better words.  I know people who had both of their legs blown off in Iraq and are in their 20's dying of cancer (both of which play magic btw) who have basically lost thier lives and I don't see any threads set up for them. 

Well that just my 2 cents. Your welcome to flame me now for being an opponent to this nonsense and having my heart and mind in the right places. Or the admin can delete my post for breaking some tmd rule, like not conforming to all the other communists.  Whichever works for you guys a guess.

Did Roland knock this guy out contention at Gencon or something?

Lighten up. I'm sure there are actually another 1 or 2 people out there with low reading comprehension skills who misunderstood this thread and agree with you. But so what, if you don't want to donate, shut your mouth and don't donate. Let the people who are willing to donate do so.

[netherspirit]

I know people who had both of their legs blown off in Iraq and are in their 20's dying of cancer (both of which play magic btw) who have basically lost thier lives and I don't see any threads set up for them. 

Dude, as has been mentioned there are charities for people who are affected by those sorts of things, but is there a charity for people who have had cards stolen? As far as I know the answer is no, this thread is just the next best thing. I'll admit I haven't sent anything to Roland, but that's purely because I have nothing of any worth. To me this thread isn't just about helping someone who's had their cards stolen, but it's about helping out someone who's helped the Vintage community loads.

Man, I am about as far right on the political scale as possible, but I seriously don't even understand where you are coming from.

I agree.

That's all I've got to say for now.
  Netherspirit

[Glix]

I have had many of my possessions stollen in my life, including my I-pod, my wallet, and some textbooks I had to pay for.  I never recieved charity for them, nor do I expect to.  However, claiming that the act of doing so is greedy is just unfair and wrong.  Chang and Orlove had a travisty effect them, one that I can relate to, and to help them is only possitive.  They never asked for anything, and yet all of you have sent them so much already.  I believe that this is one of the best examples of kindness and charity, and it is just unfair and wrong to chastise them.

You are right about one thing, technically this is a form of the communist form of ecconomey.  Capatalism theory would say "too bad", whereas communism would compensate them.  However, to call this thread greedy and wrong is totally uncalled for.  Many phillosophers have determained that communism is the best form of economey, but it has never existed because of people like you (China, etc. are not communist nations, for those with any education).

I cannot stand that anyone would repremand anyone for an act of pure compassion.  If everyone in the world was like those of you who have donated, our planet would be so much better off.  I'm sorry that your friends have lost their legs and have cancer, that is a terrible loss, and that should never happen to anyone, let alone anyone at 20.  I would give to them as well if possible.  And yes, that makes me a socialist, because I am a democratic socialist.

As for giving to Chang, I cannot do so simply because my parents don't trust the internet (since you are all pedifiles  ), so I cannot ship anything or use paypall.  However, I will likely attend TML 1, and I will donate there.  Good luck to Chang and Orlove, I am trully sorry, and I would like to thank emphatically all those who have donated and helped.  We need more of you.

[Hi-Val]

If I saw a thread asking for donations, I would try to help out. But coming in here and jealously saying that YOUR friends never get help when you don't even start a thread about it is asinine.

As was said before, this is a voluntary donation for people who want to give back to Roland and Jacob for being good people, good posters and good players. If this bothers you, don't post in here and don't donate. It's really that simple.

And this isn't an economical model and if it were, it would be capitalism anyway. This is what we call friends helping friends.

[Philatio]

in their 20's dying of cancer (both of which play magic btw) who have basically lost thier lives and I don't see any threads set up for them. 

Snap, snap.

Though losing a set of beta power would add insult to injury.

[Purple Hat]

there actually are threads for those people...in fact there are whole message boards, websites, advertising campaigns, national movements, support groups, community projects and just about any other thing you could think of for both iraq veterans (wounded and whole) and cancer patients of all ages.  they aren't on tmd cus neither of those problems has anything to do with magic, be it type 1 or otherwise.

[netherspirit]

@ NWI: I had a close relative who developed cancer, luckily it's been sorted out now, but you don't see me going "That's not fair! No-one helped him while he had cancer!" and he then went on to develop the MRSA super bug. But as has been stated, there are organizations for people with problems such as those. But as Purple Hat just said, there are no threads for them on here because this is a site about Magic, so I don't get why you're getting so worked up about it.

EDIT: I just noticed you haven't replied to this thread since your comment that sparked all this. Were you actually being serious then or just trying to wind everyone up?

[Changster]

@NWI

I figured that a few people like you would completely object to the whole idea and I would like to get one thing straight:  I did not come onto these boards to beg this community and my friends for cards.  They came to my aide after a few members suggested the idea of setting up a donation fund to help Jacob and I out.  After losing that many cards, where would you go to ask for help in identifying/searching for unique cards on eBay?  I feel extremely grateful that this community has really stepped up, out of their own volition.  The whole thing is unprecedented and I am forever in debt for the help and support I have received thus far from this community. 

Recently, Phil Schmitt lost his fully-powered deck at GenCon.  After I have paid back Jacob through my GenCon winnings and the generous donations we have received, I will be sending most of the remaining donations I have received to help Phil out.  He may not be the most outspoken while at tournaments, but I genuinely value his friendship as well as seeing him stay apart of the competitive tournaments.  Losing that much in cards is such a hard blow, that only one who has gone through it can describe.  For a person to lose valuable cards is a very unfortunate thing and I do not wish it upon anyone. 

I want to give back much more to this community since it has helped me so much.  It has kept my spirits up, enough to still compete in tournaments.  It has also only strengthened the great friendships I have accrued these last few years.  The eternal community did not turn its back on me, and I will never turn my back on it.  Soon, the help I received will help Phil out.  This is the way it should and will be.

If you still object to this whole thing, give me an e-mail/PM.  If you shoot me harsh words, so be it.  I may have lost my cards because I trusted a friend too much, or to my own stupidity, but who are you to call me greedy?

[taniquetil]

On a side not from the Changster's misfortune:

MoxLotus has said that he recieved a bunch of his cards back, including some of the unique stuff, from an anonymous sender.

Congrats on finding your stuff, hopefully Roland will be able to do the same.

[Gabethebabe]

There are some people like Null Rod who have donated hundreds of dollars worth of powerful Vintage staples, down to the people who've chipped in with a few Standard chase rares.

Hmm... Null Rod has some moral obligation here

[Demonic Attorney]

Threats of any kind are not tolerated on these forums.  Formal warning to yangtze34 for violation of Rule 2, Inflammatory Posting.

[JayC`]

Hello,

I heard about this incident through MTGSalvation where I trade a lot, and when I saw that you were all pitching in to help, I thought I would offer a few extras I had as well - I think it's a great thing - I also think it reminds us all to never trust our things to be left alone or in any kind of compromising situation - including left alone in a car or what not because they hold such high values.

Anyhow, it's not much but I would like to send:

1x Hurkyl's Recall ( Antiquities )
1x Demonic Tutor ( Revised )
1x Tinker

Not sure where to send this out to, let me know.

Again, very sorry to hear about this but with everyones help you should be back on your feet ( to some degree ) here very soon.