Ongoing GenCon Vintage Results

[Imzakhor]

That would probably be because I screwed up using my combination functions. I thought I checked those...

I shall return with an edit.

Edit: heh, actually, it was a typo. the 10 card/3+ slot is actually 8 percent. I am going to fix the original post... Could you remove the offending quote from yours then? Will be less confusing.

Edit No. 2: whew. Yes, the numbers were wrongly entered for that last one, sorry about that. I copied and pasted the "format" from the previous two, and did not remove that "1" from the last line. Please remove your quote of mine, so noboby gets confused?

Didn't change the analysis though, just made it even more subtle. Which means a calculator (without my stupid cut and paste skillz) would have been even more useful.

[Smmenen]

FYI:  I have looked at the video and its great.   

I need to buy a new firewire connector however because I have a new laptop.   In the meantime, if you would like to host the finals coverage of TK versus Travis, let me know and I'll upload it tomorrow night and you can get it from me on AIM and host it.

Thanks.

[Jacob Orlove]

Pointing out that 7-1 nets 21 match points, and 6-0-2 nets 20 points. By Magic tournament standards 7-1 is definitively better than 6-0-2. (We are playing Magic, right?) Any other suggestion is merely opinion/personal preference/what-i-would-do-if-i-ran-magic.

Even in the real world of mathematics and game theory, 7-1 and 6-0-2 both net a win percentage of exactly 87.5%.

Except that 6-0-2 is rarely two forced draws. It generally implies an X-0 record followed by 2 IDs to make T8. 7-1, while showing more overall game wins, means a lower win rate out of games played.

[Purple Hat]

steve, the highlight of my weekend was definately round three of the championships when I was sitting on the opposite side of the table between you and dan carp and you looked at your opening hand and the following conversation ensued:

Steve: looks at hand, looks at opponent "I'm sorry"
me: "steve, do you have 'so many insane plays?'"
steve: "so many"
dan: "do you even have to ask?" turns to Arend "you're lucky I'm not playing combo, cus if I was the flux between my insane plays and steve's insane plays would rip you apart."

[M.Solymossy]

After my fallout with Dan and ICBM, I was pretty sure I hated him.  But now, I love that kid again.

[Imzakhor]

Pointing out that 7-1 nets 21 match points, and 6-0-2 nets 20 points. By Magic tournament standards 7-1 is definitively better than 6-0-2. (We are playing Magic, right?) Any other suggestion is merely opinion/personal preference/what-i-would-do-if-i-ran-magic.

Even in the real world of mathematics and game theory, 7-1 and 6-0-2 both net a win percentage of exactly 87.5%.

Except that 6-0-2 is rarely two forced draws. It generally implies an X-0 record followed by 2 IDs to make T8. 7-1, while showing more overall game wins, means a lower win rate out of games played.

21 is still greater than 20, except of course, for very large values of 20. The 7-1s will always make top 8, leaving the possibility of the 6-0-2 people at 9th and 10th, kicking themselves for the cowardice of drawing.

I know that at least 4 people were 0-0-2 (including my own self) at GenCon, at one time. One of them at least (Clint Raute), and myself, were 2-0-2 at one point. I of course immediately suffered a brain aneurysm, forcing me to vamp tutor for a swords to plowshares to kill a Troll Ascetic, and went 2-1-2 drop...

/wanders off muttering to self

[TK]

I don't know why there is all this arguing over why 6-0-2 or 7-1 is better but whatever. Me and Paul were both 6-0-0 when we played in round 7 and I.D into the top 8.

Until the point of the finals i had actually only lost one game the entire day, and even that was to a teammate. My record for the day was 16-1 going into the finals.

I am down in Oshkosh at my girlfriends place but ill be back home to write up a report sometime Wednesday i suspect.

[Harlequin]

Not to dispute your math (because I haven't done it myself) but it doesn't seem to make sense that a deck running 10 lands has an 18% chance to get three or more in the opening while a deck running 11 lands only has an 11% chance to get three or more in the opening. The rest of the math seems to work out fine, but how could a deck running less land be more likely to draw a land-heavy hand?

the 18% is a typo.  If you look the numbers add up to 110%,  It should have been 8%.

His math checks out.

... 8.304181% to be more exact.   

[Changster]

I just wanted to point out that it was actually Davide Cohen from Italy that made top 8 with his T1T deck at the Vintage Champs.  He can't post on here for some odd reason, but I told him I'd clear that up for all of you since you guys thought MoxPearl got into top8 with Oath.

Great Job to the Top 8 and Congratz to Travis!  Rock on

I would have done better if I didn't have the following matches lined up against me:

Round 1 - Joel w/ Stax (2nd place Waterbury)
Round 2 - Steve Menendian w/ Grim Long (Teammate)
Round 3 - I@n DeGraff w/ Sullivan Solution
Round 4 - Paul Mastriano w/ Pitch Long (Teammate)
Round 5 - Robert Vroman w/ UbaStax

I was 3-0 after 3 Rounds and pretty much on my way to another t8, but everything turned sour when I had to play yet another teammate and Mr. Vroman afterwards.  My record at the end of the day was 3-2 and I dropped to get some food.  I'm pretty satisfied with my performance in general at GenCon. 

I'll take one title a year...

-Ro

[Smmenen]

update on the video:  i have someone who is willing to host.  but my video won't download to my laptop.

 I have a new laptop and I've traditionally used firewire, but this laptop doesn't have it.  I bought a usb cable instead, but the laptop won't recognize the video player.  So I'm going to have to figure out what's going on.  I downloaded a driver, but it still isn't picking up the feed. 

[brainiac7]

In the interest of getting the video on the net, may I suggest these options.

1. Going to your local consumer electronics place and picking up a firewire add-on card for a day then
returning it for your money back.

2. Stopping by a friends place and using his firewire equipped computer to download the vid from your
camcorder or whatever your video source may be.

3. You could try loading it into a computer at school or work that has firewire capability.

4. Sending the tape (Hi8? DV?) to someone you know and trust to make the conversion for you.

After it is converted into some nicely compressed format, how about putting it up on Youtube for
all to easily view?

I hope these suggestions weren't too obvious.

[Demonic Attorney]

The discussion regarding withholding decklists has been moved here.  I thought it best to provide a dedicated thread to a topic that has generated a great deal of community interest.  Moreover, the thread's location in the Basic User Community will allow more people to contribute to the dialogue.  Feel free to continue the discussion there.

[Shoggoth]

any progress on getting that video onto your computer?

[Smmenen]

i will.  patience.

[Shoggoth]

Sorry, I can be patient. I'm just excited to see it.