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« on: October 30, 2006, 01:31:30 pm »

I’m a Vintage player by heart. I love extended and standard, but I’m a vintage player. I used to like legacy, but that all changed after GP: Lille (I went like 1-3), and I never played the format again. But we have a series of tourney’s in Holland, which most of the time are just vintage tourneys, but now they organized a legacy tourney. Now that sucked, because I was #1 in their competition (getting extra prizes at the end of the year), and I didn’t knew anything about legacy. After some scouting I really liked Nassif’s Confinement list, so I simply played his list (I tweaked it a little, fitting in Nantuko Monasteries) to a 4-0-2 finish. I was really unimpressed with the deck, and I knew I didn’t want to play it again. I did, however, really liked Confinements and really really liked Life from the Loam..

Now some time ago, we made this very cool list for Vintage, playing with Life from the Loams, Terravores and Bazaars. A friend and team member of mine, Ronald Groenstege, started playing with basically that deck, only making it legacy legal. Now it was basically a port from the extended deck Aggro Loam, which is/was the best deck. We tweaked it around al little, because I wanted to play it at the Open Dutch Champs which was in 1 week.

We bought and borrowed extra copies of cards in the deck, because we couldn’t both play it. I met with Ronald on Sunday morning in Eindhoven, giving him his copy of the deck. This is the list we played:

The Dutch Connection’s ‘TerraGeddon’

// Creatures
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Werebear
4 Terravore
4 Wild Mongrel
3 Eternal Witness
1 Genesis

// Spells
4 Armageddon
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Life from the Loam
3 Solitary Confinement

// Lands
4 Tranquil Thicket
2 Secluded Steppe
1 Nantuko Monastery
3 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
3 Forest
1 Plains
4 Savannah
3 Wooded Foothills

// Sideboard
4 Tivadar’s Crusade
4 Null Rod
3 Krosan Grip
2 Loxodon Hierarch
2 Last Breath

The deck is a force. It features a maindeck hardlock with Confinement-Loam/Genesis, which a lot of decks simply can’t beat game 1. I think I won 4 or 5 game ones simply by dropping a Confinement with a Life and a cycleland. I boarded them out in almost every matchup, because they get so much worse game 2, but that doesn’t matter because their Disenchants become useless. The fact that you can simply win by Wastelanding every turn is also very good. I expected a lot of Goblins, since that is the best deck, so I packed 4 Crusades. The plan was to win game 1 by dropping a Confinement, and win game 3 because you have 4 onesided WoG’s. A funny fact was that you almost can’t win a game 2 when you are on the draw, because the Crusade is to slow. The Null Rods are here to fight Crypt and Combo. The Grip is amazing, because it removes Crypts, Deeds and Crucibles. Last Breath was our amazing tech, because it simply is STP 5-6, which also removes Meddling Mage naming Life from the Loam.

The attendance was 132 players, and that meant 8 rounds of Swiss with a cut to top 8. Prices for top 16.

On to the report:

Round 1: Niels? playing Angel Stompy

Game 1: A really close game, because I thought he was playing mono white stompy or something (I see only plains). I have a Terravore and a Werebear out and play Armageddon, and he plows the ‘Vore in response. I still have the Bear and I ride it to victory.

I board Hierarchs and Last Breaths for 3 Confinements and a Armageddon I think.

Game 2: Shit. I didn’t realize he played Angel Stompy, because I didn’t see any Tombs or Jittes game 1. This game he has a turn 2 Jitte which just wins the game for him.

I board in Grips and Rods.

Game 3 goes to time, because he gets me very low, but I dredge Genesis and start recurring Terravores. He morphes a creature with 3 lands and a Jitte in play, and I play a second 8/8 ‘Vore. He doesn’t draw a 4th land to unmorph his Angel and I take the game in turn 3 of the extra time.

2-1, 1-0

Ronald won his match 2-0.

Round 2: Rik playing RW Goblins

We introduce and I tell him I know he’s playing Goblins. I didn’t see him play in round 1 or something, but I just know. He looks at me funny and simply shuffles up.

Game 1: He mulligans to 5 (And I ask him ‘no turn 1 Lackeys?) and opens up with.. a Mogg Fanatic. We both start laughing. He kills my Elf and I have a Mongrel. He makes sure he doesn’t attack into it because I am Loaming every turn. I see he has maindeck Disenchants thanks to his Ringleader, so I can’t just drop Confinement and win. I plow some of his creatures with the help of a pair of Eternal Witnesses and win with a 18/18 Terravore, which is actually bigger than a Piley..

In come the Crusades, Hierarchs and Last Breaths, out go the ‘Geddons, 1 Werebear and 3 Confinements

Game 2: He has a turn 1 Lackey and I have the Elf to block it, but he kills it with a Fanatic. Warchief Ringleader Piledriver bla bla bla. He kills me on turn 5, with no Crusades for me.

Game 3: I think I plowed 4 times and removed his entire board 3 times. This was thanks to a Genesis and some Witnesses that kept dying because I blocked with them. The match went to time, but I don’t care because 20/20 Terravores only take a single turn. I said VoreS, because I had 2. 3 mana 20/20 guys are pretty good, I hear.

2-1, 2-0

Round 3: Bas playing.. RG Goblins!

Game 1: I win the roll and have a Mongrel to answer his Lackey. I make more blockers, and eventually attack with the Mongrel when he is outtapped (3 lands, one Taiga). I want to write down damage but I can tell he wants to play a card in his hand, but eventually does not. This makes me believe he has Pyrokinesis maindeck and no Naturalizes. The next turn I drop Confinement with a Cycleland and a Loam, and he scoops.

In come the Crusades, Hierarchs and Last Breaths, out go the ‘Geddons, 1 Werebear and 3 Confinements (again).

Game 2: He has a turn 1 Lackey that is unanswered. He then plays a lot of Goblins, and I have 3 lands and a Tivadar’s Crusade but he keeps tapping one of them with his Port. I don’t draw another land or a Loam, so I can’t play Crusade. I lost that game a turn later with Matron-Piley-Piley action.

Game 3: My notes say that his life total went 20-24-26-28-30-7-0. This was due to multiple Swords and Last Breaths, keeping him very low on Goblins. And when he tried to make a comeback, I simply played a Tivadar’s Crusade and attacked with a 23/23 Terravore. While this didn’t kill him, the next swing did and he scoops up his cards.

2-1, 3-0

Ronald is now 1-1-1.

Round 4: Marco (a German) with Confidant-Affinity.

Game 1: He keeps a hand with no artifact land, just two Nexuses. He attacks with them a few times before I get a Confinement out, and he just scoops.

I board 4 Null Rods, 3 Krosan Grip and 2 Last Breath for 4 Armageddon and 5 ‘other’ cards. I have no idea which they were.

Game 2: He kills me on turn 4 with double Disciple + Plating and Ravager. I didn’t draw a StP or a Rod.

Game 3: I make blockers, Sword some creatures (with the help of a Witness) and eventually get out a 12/12 ‘Vore. He blocks and tries to double Shrapnel Blast it, but he forgets that the Terravore counts the lands in ALL graveyards, so he 4-for-0’d himself. I win that game.

2-1, 4-0

It’s going good so far Smile

Round 5: Wim Helder with 4c Landstill

I know Wim from other (vintage) tourneys, so we are not too tensed. I know he is playing 4c Landstill because someone told me, and because I know he kills with manland I am very confident with my Wastelands and Life from the Loams.

Game 1: I open up with a couple of werebears, which quickly become 4/4 with a little help from a LftL when he is outtapped. I attack him for 12 with the Bears and a Monestary, and he pops a Deed for the Bears. The Monestary gets in once more before getting plowed, and I Armageddon all lands while keeping an Elf and a Land. I soon dredge a Genesis into the biggest Terravore I had all day, which wins the game for me. I believe it was over 30/30..

I SB 3 Krosan Grips and 2 Hierarchs (Regenerate if he has a Deed) for 3 Confinements and 2 Plows or something.

Game 2: I can’t lose this matchup. I really can’t. This game was more of the same, only my Elf did 9 damage to him. He Plows a 17/17 Terravore, putting me on 35 life. Now I REALLY can’t lose. I Grip a Crucible when he casts it and attack his mana for the win. He only played a single Basic Land, hehe.

2-0, 5-0

This feels really good. I have to win one of my last 3 matches in order to t8.

Round 6: ??? (a German) with UGR Thresh.

Game 1: He gets out Nimble Mongoose and quickly makes it 3/3. My Mongrels and Werebears keep getting Burned or countered, but I dredge a Genesis and bait with a Werebear like 3 times. Counter, Counter, till his hand is empty. He drew a lot with Predict tricks, but I guessed correctly that he didn’t have another counter. I went for the Confinement and he just scooped.

I board very very wrong. I kept him really low on lands and mana, so I just thought he played 4c Thresh. I boarded Rods and Last Breaths, which where awful because he played with.. Loaming Shaman.

Game 2: I draw like 3 of my (dead) SB cards.  I lose the game to double Burning-Tree Shaman, double Werebear and a Loaming Shaman that makes my Bears really small.

I board the Hierarchs and the Confinements back in (for the Loaming Shaman).

We shuffle up and suddenly he starts caring about my sleeves. Rather than just cutting, he pileshuffles my deck and notes that 2 of my sleeves look a little different. We call over a judge, and after some time he calls me over. He tells me that the sleeves were indeed different, and that they contain my 2 Hierarchs.. I get a matchloss for this. Now that REALLY sucks, because I would SO have won the match in game 3. I go on tilt, because the round is long over and I have to go buy different sleeves. I run to the dealer and buy sleeves. I get back and.. the sleeves are CLEAR. Shit shit shit! I run back and make the switch between the clear and the dark sleeves, and when I run back there are like 5 of my good friends sitting ready to sleeve the deck for me. They do this in like 1 minute. Thank you guys very much for this, it really meant a lot to me.

The pairings are up, and while I still am a bit on tilt, I walk to my table only to play.. against Mark!

*MATCHLOSS*, 5-1

Round 7: Mark with Salvager/Gamekeeper.

Game 1: I know Mark, I know what he is playing, and it sucks we have to play each other. I win the roll and open up with an Elf. I realize I have to resolve an Armageddon and kill him really fast. I play a turn 2 Mongrel, and in my upkeep I discard a Life, dredge it, discard it again, play a Terravore and discard some lands to the Mongrel. I can kill him next turn, with double dredge the Loam, but it doesn’t help because he rituals into a Salvager with a LED and a Chromatic Star on the table..

I Side 4 Null Rods and 2 Last Breaths for 3 Confinements and 3 Werebear?

Game 2: I open up with an Elf, and he nukes my entire hand with multiple Duress and Therapies. I have a Life, so I start dredging and cycling. I get out a Null Rod, which hurt him a lot. I nuke all his lands with a ‘Geddon and then play a Nantoku Monastery and start bashing a turn later. I waste all the lands I can, but by cycling basics he finds a living wish for a Wasteland which gives him one more turn.. But I draw another Armageddon and he scoops to Llanowar Elves beatdown. He tells me he had 4 Rituals in hand..

Okay, so getting a Null Rod out is my main objective in this matchup. Next is nuking his lands. I have to keep Swords online, so he can’t randomly combo out on me, so I have 6 in the deck.

Game 3: He opens with a Duress and takes one of my Null Rods. The other one sticks. I start wasting his lands, and eventually he Wishes for a Viridian Shaman. I play my ‘Geddon at that point. A few turns later I Witness into another Null Rod, and the Witness and a Mongrel go all the way.

2-1, 6-1

I’m in! It really sucks I had to play against Mark, but at least I’m in!

Round 8: Christian "Windux" Wilczek (a German) with 3c Hanni Fish.

We I.D.

My dad goes for a Kabab run, and me and a friend of mine do some more testing against Affinity since that deck is most probably in the t8 as well. I can’t lose if I just resolve a Confinement.

Oh, and Ronald went 4-2-2. He lost 2 games because he only played 2 Basic land and 8 Cycleland, which is bad. He got Wasteland-locked..

Now something happens.. The t8 is announced, and Mark is in!  Good news.

We go to the hotel where we are going to play the T8 because the location we played the Swiss is closing.. We have about 45 minutes, so some friends of mine had decided to draft. I chat with some other top-8’ers, when the head judge comes with some bad news. Due to an computer error or something, they had the wrong results. The number 8 isn’t Mark, it’s actually the guy they told he finished in 9th place.. Unfortunately, he has already left and we didn’t have his number. So what they did was to give Mark the prices the #8 would receive, but not let him play t8. This also meant that Patrick, the guy with the land destruction deck, got a bye in the T8.

The t8 was:

1 4c Landstill (Wim, my round 5 opponent, with only a single loss in the Swiss)
1 TerraGeddon
1 3c Hanni Fish
1 (Small) Pox
1 RW Goblins
1 Green Landdestruction
1 Affinity
1 Mono Black, this was the guy that had left.

And I had to play against.. Wim!

Top 8 – Quarters – Wim with 4c Landstill

I can’t lose this matchup.

Now I see his deck, I see there are 3 Sacred Grounds in his SB. I should be more careful with my Krosan Grips..

Game 1: I can’t lose this matchup. Damn. I am on the play and I draw the godhand: Fetch, Cycleland, Elf, Life, Wasteland, Werebear, Terravore. I can’t lose this matchup. I waste all his lands, drop a big Bear and eventually ride a Vore to victory. Once again, it becomes like 20/20. Still not a bad deal, for 3 mana.

I SB the usual: out go the Confinements and 2 Plows, in go the Hierarchs (in proper sleeves, that is) and the Grips.

Game 2: I can’t find a Wasteland with my LftL, so he gets out some lands. I bait a little with creatures, and when he FoW’s my LftL, I play an Armageddon. It resolves and I dredge Life into.. Wasteland. I can’t lose this matchup!
I can’t remember how I killed him. But I knew I did.. Wink

2-0, 7-1-1

Top 4 – Semi’s – Christian "Windux" Wilczek (German) with 3c Hanni Fish

Game 1: He gets the goddraw: turn 1 Mother of Runes, turn 2 Mage naming Life from the Loam, turn 3 Mage naming armageddon, turn 4 Confindant and Grunt. I have a Swords, but I can’t play it because of the Mother. I draw a Eternal Witness, and attempt to Plow the Mother, play Witness getting back StP, but the Witness gets countered.. I trashtalk the living fuck out of this match, and even the judge is trashtalking with me.. Christian: “I cast a Grunt”, Me & the tablejudge: “In soviet Russia..” He completely loses focus, or so it seems. I predict exactly what he has in hand, (“because I play poker”), and when I do this for the 10th time or so, he actually puts his glasses on the table because he thinks I can see the cards in the reflection or something, it was hilarious. It was like, “I’m walking straight into your Daze, but I have to because you also have a Counterspell you can cast next turn..” and he’d have exactly that.. “You are going to reveal FoW with Confidant”, and he did exactly that.. Anyways, I lost this game.

I SB Hierarchs and Last Breaths for 3 Confinements and 1 Werebear I think.

Game 2: I cast some Plows and attack his manabase, because he only plays like 17 lands. He stalls on lands, and while I keep Loaming I attack him with a Terravore and a Werebear. He plows the ‘Vore, but eventually dies to the Bear.

Game 3: He mulligans to 5. He starts with a Serum Visions, putting both cards on the bottom. I waste his land. He plays another Visions, keeping both cards on top. I play a Fetch. He plays a Mage naming Life, but I plow it. I then cast a Mongrel. He draws and says go. I waste his land, removing his countermana and Life my Fetch and 2 Wastes back. Eventually I resolve a very big Terravore and a couple of Werebears, while he only has an Engineered Explosives for 1, which can kill my Elf but nothing more.. I win.

2-1, 8-1-1

Finals: Rudie playing with 8Pox.dec

Game 1: we where both going into the matchup thinking it would be very hard for me to win. He had 8 Poxes, 4 Innocent Blood, Wastelands of his own, and 4 Spinning Darkness, 4 Funeral Charm and 4 Infest SB. Game 1, I get slaughtered. Unreal. I don’t know how to play the matchup, so I open with land-Elf. He smallpoxes them away. I try another land, and he simply plays a ‘real’ Pox. He discards a Nether Spirit and Wastelands my only land. I die soon afterwards..

I board Last Breaths and Null rods for 4 Armageddons. He kills with the Spirit and the 3 mana artifact that can become 3/3 if you tap all your lands, so removing his creatures felt like a good plan. I thought I also boarded in some Krosan Grips..

Game 2: I’m getting the hang of it. Rather than opening with an Elf, I keep it in hand and simply play my Cycleland. He Poxes them, but I don’t care. I get Hymn’ed, and he took my LftL. I play another land, and dredge Life to play it. I waste his Mishra’s Factory, but he still has the Spirit. It gets me down to 5 life, and I cast Terravore. I attack with it, and he uses Cabal Pit on it. He goes down to just 2, draws for his turn and scoops.

Game 3: Same thing as before. I open with Cycleland, which he destroys, but I make sure I keep at least 2 more lands in hand. I cast Life, which gets me my lands back, trying to keep up. He has one big turn in which he throws down his entire hand, playing Poxes and Discard, keeping him with only 2 lands and a Nether Spirit. I just Plow the Spirit, at which point I know I won the game since he has nothing and I have 3 creatures in hand. I dredge back my Life and play a big Terravore and my Elf, which I kept in hand. He draws and.. scoops!

I am the winnar!

I get this amazing trophy that has 4 DCI promo’s in it, a Foil Regrowth and storecredit for winning. My friends made some pictures, but because Rudie was so big and I am so small, I stood on a chair.



It was an amazing tourney. Suddenly I actually like Legacy!

Props:
- My friends. The whole weekend was amazing. Great hanging with you guys.
- The judges. Great tourney, too bad about the matchloss and the 8th/9th spot..
- My opponents. Almost everybody was very nice and it was great playing against you.
- Ronald Groenstege. We made a great deck, Ronnie Wink
- Kebab!

Slops:
- Matchlosses. I should check my sleeves. My fault.
- The food was expensive as hell!

This was my report. Don’t mind the grammar, I typed it in a hurry, because my exam week begins tomorrow.. Thanks for reading!

Greetz,

Hugo van Dijke
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2006, 04:10:00 pm »

Let me spoil my first post on this forum (shame on me for not regging an account ealier) to congratulate you on this success. Nice to see a big variety of decks making top 8.

Too bad I wasnt able to attend (basically because I didn't want to...)
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2006, 06:59:28 pm »

Awesome report Hugo and awesome job! I remember your invovlement in Legacy more than a year ago - remember my old Solidarity list?

Hopefully you will stick around this time.
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2006, 12:52:48 am »

Congrats on the win! I'm really glad to see someone pilot this kind of a deck, even though I wish I had put it all together. I have been playing a casual deck like this for a while now, except it used Land Tax, so it wasn't Legacy legal. The creature base was very similar, but the main difference is probably switching the Enlightened Tutor/Land Tax engine for Life from the Loam/Solitary Confinement lock. Some of the cards I've used that I didn't see in your list that I thought might at least merit testing are Mox Diamond and (especially) Riftstone Portal. This deck has awesome synergies with those cards too so I'm curious to hear your opinion.
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2006, 03:00:22 pm »

Wow, interesting list and Top8, but I must say, GOOD GOD!  Does nobody play combo in Europe?  Doesn't it seem like Iggy or Solidarity could walk all over this deck?  Am I right or is Confinement and Geddon enough to puch out a win against the combo?

Anyway, the success of this deck begs the question "Is there really any reason to not run 4 Tormod's Crypts in you SB?"
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2006, 03:43:19 pm »

Thanks all!

Awesome report Hugo and awesome job! I remember your invovlement in Legacy more than a year ago - remember my old Solidarity list?

Hopefully you will stick around this time.

Hehe, I sure do. I <3'ed that deck, but I hated to play against Duress, which are really being played a lot here, so I sold my Resets. Guess I will stick around; I suddenly actually like Legacy..

Congrats on the win! I'm really glad to see someone pilot this kind of a deck, even though I wish I had put it all together. I have been playing a casual deck like this for a while now, except it used Land Tax, so it wasn't Legacy legal. The creature base was very similar, but the main difference is probably switching the Enlightened Tutor/Land Tax engine for Life from the Loam/Solitary Confinement lock. Some of the cards I've used that I didn't see in your list that I thought might at least merit testing are Mox Diamond and (especially) Riftstone Portal. This deck has awesome synergies with those cards too so I'm curious to hear your opinion.

Mox Diamond is a very good card, but I knew I wanted to play 4 Null Rod in my SB rather than Needles, so I didn't play them. Portal seems really bad, because the manabase is really strong now, and you don't really want to have even more lands that tap for colorless.. I actually cutted a Monestary for an extra basic Forest because of that.

Wow, interesting list and Top8, but I must say, GOOD GOD!  Does nobody play combo in Europe?  Doesn't it seem like Iggy or Solidarity could walk all over this deck?  Am I right or is Confinement and Geddon enough to puch out a win against the combo?

Anyway, the success of this deck begs the question "Is there really any reason to not run 4 Tormod's Crypts in you SB?"

I actually tested some matches against Iggy, and they can't really win if I get a quick 'Geddon to resolve. The matchup is still not good, though. But the set of Rods sure help a lot, because they can't really win before I play one. Presure is everything against combo; you can't spend the turns simply Loaming (unless you have a genesis); you need to kill him. I can't win the Solidarity matchup unless I resolve a 'Geddon, but with them playing 8 counters, that isn't going to happen. Luckily nobody plays the deck (Lots of Duress / Therapy hurt the deck alot)..
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2006, 06:05:14 pm »

Good tournament report, even better deck. Thanks of sharing this. If you could get the other top 8 decks that would be really cool.


I know this isn't your fault, but that whole 8th player, 9th player thing was really shifty...
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2006, 06:33:03 pm »

Hi guys,

My name is Ronald Groenstege, I'm the one who made the deck that Hugo (49ct), played to a great finish...
I played the same deck on the same tournament, but I went 4-2-2, I lost to a Wasteland lock 2x, because my version of the deck had 8 fetch in it and just 2 basics.
Hugo made a crucial change to the deck. He played 4 Basic lands instead of 2. I think 4 is the correct number, because now Wastelands don't have an effect on this deck anymore.

In Holland people do play Combo, but not a lot.. 
The deck has a chance vs Combo. The Landdestruction and the Confinements help a lot..
Only Solidarity is a difficult matchup, because it plays lots of basic-lands, so Wastelands don't work..

But noone plays that around here, Smile

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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2006, 08:41:18 pm »

Great report and well done. I'm going to throw this together in MWS and see how it goes. 'Kinda sucks that I traded all of my Savannahs away in the last year. I never thought I'd need them... Smile
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2006, 11:46:01 pm »

Great Job. I'm going to put this together and see what comes of it. I'm interested if you've tried any other things that are wide spread removal, like (though horrible) Balancing Act, or the like?

Are 4 loams too many? I'm thinking that maybe cutting one or two for something like more nantuko Monasteries (Very good in the Threshold matchup).

I'm pretty sure you've seen or remember what Oshawa Stompy looked like, does any of the pieces of that, like RotW, Arrogant wurm, Rootwalla, or Survival interest you at all?
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2006, 12:27:15 pm »

Congrats on your finnish mate! And thanks for a nice read =)

I'm just curious, why do you choose Null Rodd in SB over Pithing Needle? Wouldn't Needle be better in most cases (unless you were expecting alot of Affinity), it would also allow MD Mox Diamond..
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2006, 04:24:12 pm »

Congrats on your finnish mate! And thanks for a nice read =)

I'm just curious, why do you choose Null Rodd in SB over Pithing Needle? Wouldn't Needle be better in most cases (unless you were expecting alot of Affinity), it would also allow MD Mox Diamond..

I played with both the week before, in the other Confinement deck, but I really felt like I needed something against combo, to which Rod in an answer but Needle isn't.

Great Job. I'm going to put this together and see what comes of it. I'm interested if you've tried any other things that are wide spread removal, like (though horrible) Balancing Act, or the like?

Are 4 loams too many? I'm thinking that maybe cutting one or two for something like more nantuko Monasteries (Very good in the Threshold matchup).

I'm pretty sure you've seen or remember what Oshawa Stompy looked like, does any of the pieces of that, like RotW, Arrogant wurm, Rootwalla, or Survival interest you at all?

4 Loams are definitely not to many. Other lists splash red for Gamble and Burning Wish because they need to find Loam sooner! Monestary is very, very good, but I actually cutted one because I was having trouble with my manabase, and the 4 basics were def. insane all day long.

The only card I was def. interested in was Roar of the Wurm, because you can keep on dredging every turn while you make 6/6's, which, in theory, is great.
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2006, 04:38:03 pm »

Hmm ok, but what combo decks are you refering to regarding Null Rod? Because Needle on LED vs Iggy Pop and Needle on Pyrite Spellbomb / LED vs Gamekeeper/Salvagers combo, will have the same impact as Rod (Iggy Pop can play around both Null Rod and Needle regardless, because it got 8 Rituals)

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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2006, 04:43:59 pm »

Hmm ok, but what combo decks are you refering to regarding Null Rod? Because Needle on LED vs Iggy Pop and Needle on Pyrite Spellbomb / LED vs Gamekeeper/Salvagers combo, will have the same impact as Rod (Iggy Pop can play around both Null Rod and Needle regardless, because it got 8 Rituals)



Needle doesn't stop LED, since it's a mana ability, that's why I choose Rod.
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2006, 04:46:12 pm »

Heh.. sorry, let me hide under the rock I came from - my bad
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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2006, 03:06:49 pm »

Congrats on winning this tournament with such a cool looking deck.  There is just a part of me that has wanted to see Armageddon used in a more visible way in Legacy for a while now.  I'm not sure if this suggestion is worth anything since I haven't had much time to test anything lately, but could cabal therapy's in the sideboard help out against combo?  Grant it, you can't hardcast them, but with all the dredging and wild mongrels around, I'm sure at least a couple of llanowar elves would be willing to sacrifice it all for their deck.  I was thinking that cabal therapy + eternal witness + genesis (ok, so cabal therapy + genesis is pretty good on its own) could make a nice combo from time to time, too.  Anyway, those are some thoughts I've been having.  Hope they help.
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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2006, 03:55:34 pm »

Congrats on winning this tournament with such a cool looking deck.  There is just a part of me that has wanted to see Armageddon used in a more visible way in Legacy for a while now.  I'm not sure if this suggestion is worth anything since I haven't had much time to test anything lately, but could cabal therapy's in the sideboard help out against combo?  Grant it, you can't hardcast them, but with all the dredging and wild mongrels around, I'm sure at least a couple of llanowar elves would be willing to sacrifice it all for their deck.  I was thinking that cabal therapy + eternal witness + genesis (ok, so cabal therapy + genesis is pretty good on its own) could make a nice combo from time to time, too.  Anyway, those are some thoughts I've been having.  Hope they help.

It's really funny, but yesterday I threw in a maindeck Bayou and 4 Therapy's in my SB for combo, because I'm going to play at the Legacy event @ Worlds in Paris this year.. I won the Dutch Junior Super Series yesterday Very Happy
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2006, 08:52:06 pm »

Wow...congrats on that as well.  So how did the therapy's work out in practice?  Were they as good as you would think they would be?  Also, how much did the extra nonbasic hurt your manabase?
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2006, 11:15:41 am »

Wow...congrats on that as well.  So how did the therapy's work out in practice?  Were they as good as you would think they would be?  Also, how much did the extra nonbasic hurt your manabase?

Actually, I didn't tested it yet (still exam week), but in theory it's really good. If they turn out to be really good I might cut the Rods from the SB for Needles, because they stop Wretch. I said I MIGHT, because I'm really skeptical.. Rod is so good!
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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2006, 01:17:03 pm »

So.. I won the Worlds Legacy side-event (over 140 players) with Terrageddon last Friday. I switched 1 Savannah for a Bayou and 2 Hierarchs, a Rod and a Crusade for 4 Cabal Therapies, which helped alot against High Tide. We played 8 rounds of straight swiss (no T8, because by the time the 8 rounds were done it was 3 o'clock in the morning) and I went 7-0-1, drawing against White Weenie with MAINDECK Grunts, Samurai of the Pale Curtain and Suppression Field. I still would have won game 3 on my 15/15 'Vore, but he had some blockers and time was up. I won against 3x Goblins, High Tide, 43 Land, BR Suicide and Faerie Stompy..

Are more people playing this deck or what? Winning 2 major events with it can't be based on just luck, right?
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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2006, 02:23:52 pm »

Are more people playing this deck or what? Winning 2 major events with it can't be based on just luck, right?

Obviously it has something to do with the player, but I hope this latest result will generate more interest in the deck. I'll start a thread right now.
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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2006, 03:13:21 pm »

Skill and a open mind makes you win in legacy, grats! I guess you are waiting for the DCI to update your ranking Wink Anyone know if there would be a European Legacy GP next season?
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« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2006, 08:45:05 am »

Skill and a open mind makes you win in legacy, grats! I guess you are waiting for the DCI to update your ranking Wink Anyone know if there would be a European Legacy GP next season?

Heh, yeah, I'm really curious about my rating.. First I went 9-1-1 at the Dutch Legacy Champs, then 7-0-1 @ SE: Legacy and 7-1 @ SE: Vintage.. =) They told me that they'll post T8 lists from both events, but I haven't seen anything yet..

By the way, they had really cool prices. For the Vintage tourney the first price was an uncut printsheet of Urza's Sage rares, and the judge told us at the beginning of the Legacy tourney the winner would also receive one. That turned out to be incorrect, as I 'only' got a boosterbox.. And the next they I went on to finish 2nd in the Vintage Event (172? players?).. Sad

The guy that placed 2nd posted a small report on the Source (http://mtgthesource.com/forums/showpost.php?p=100534&postcount=520). I didn't play him, but they think Stompy has a good matchup against 'Geddon. I disagree, with Rod combined with StP and Grip you should actually have a reasonable matchup. Them taking damage from their own land also helps..
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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2006, 05:29:43 pm »

I will guess at least over 1850! If you had a 1600 rating to start with thou, hehe Very Happy
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