budget 5 proxie grim long

[Koeka]

hi there, I'm trying to build an somewhat competetive combo deck for a srubbish fnm 5 proxie tourney, even with the 5 proxies most decks suck.

As a starting point I used this list from the magic the gathering site:

// Lands
4  Gemstone Mine
1  Tolarian Academy
4  City of Brass
3  Forbidden Orchard

// Creatures
1  Darksteel Colossus

// Spells
4  Dark Ritual
4  Cabal Ritual
4  Duress
1  Lion's Eye Diamond
4  Chromatic Sphere
4  Grim Tutor
4  Brainstorm
1  Burning Wish
1  Mox Diamond
1  Demonic Tutor
1  Windfall
1  Mystical Tutor
1  Vampiric Tutor
1  Yawgmoth's Will
1  Tendrils of Agony
1  Tinker
4  Helm of Awakening
1  Lotus Petal
1  Memory Jar
1  Wheel of Fortune
1  Regrowth
1  Chain of Vapor
1  Grim Monolith
1  Mana Vault
1  Mana Crypt
1  Chrome Mox

Now, this deck has to be budget so I had to replace some cards leaving me with

1 Mind's Desire
1 Ancestral Recall (proxie 1)
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 Necropotence
1 Xantid Swarm
1 Sol Ring
1 Chrome Mox
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Grim Monolith
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Regrowth
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Memory Jar
1 Lotus Petal
3 Helm of Awakening
1 Tinker
1 Tendrills of Agony
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Mox Diamond
1 Burning Wish
4 Brainstorm
3 Grim Tutors (proxie)
2 Chromatic Sphere
1 LED
4 Duress
3 Cabal Ritual
4 Dark Ritual
1 Darksteel Colossus
3 Forbidden Orchard
4 City of Brass
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Gemstone Mine

does this look like any good?
And now for some content.
The mana base is self explanatory I guess, I currently don't have any ESG's but luckily there arent that many stax decks.
The problem with the deck still is helm, you hate it but it's really needed.
2 Chromatic sphere's are there for colour fixing when you need it.
I guess most cards are self explanatory, but still the list is far from perfect.
Still havent decided on a sideboard but, something with 2 xantids and some burning wish targets.
Sry for the silly spelling mistakes I made.

Greetz, Koeka

[Moxlotus]

If you want a competitive combo deck that can be built on a 5 proxy budget, I'd suggest Belcher.  Replace a Mox with something and you are pretty much good to go.  No blue power or Grims needed.

[Koeka]

My meta doesnt contain contain much power, but I don't have joblin welders or belchers so I don't know if I can get them in time.
My meta contains random aggro and some random combo decks.
Is belcher a good call for such a meta, I pressume you mean normal b/r/g belcher?
an example list:

/ Lands
1 Bayou
1 Taiga

// Creatures
3 Goblin Welder
4 Tinder Wall
4 Elvish Spirit Guide

// Spells
4 Goblin Charbelcher
1 Yawgmoth's Will
2 Living Wish
3 Cabal Ritual
1 Mana Crypt
1 Lotus Petal
4 Land Grant
1 Mox Ruby
4 Dark Ritual
1 Mana Vault
1 Sol Ring
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Necropotence
3 Duress
1 Memory Jar
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Grim Monolith
4 Chromatic Sphere
1 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Channel
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain

and 2 open slots

// Sideboard
1 Artifact Mutation
4 Xantid Swarm
2 Oxidize
1 Viridian Shaman
2 Krosan Grip
1 Hearth Kami
1 Dark Confidant
1 Ancient Tomb
1 Forbidden Orchard
1 Tolarian Academy

[Komatteru]

Yes, but without counting it, I can tell that your list is missing a card (that's my old list with a Mox, Imperial Seal, and a Welder missing, aside from variations in the sideboard), not counting the two open slots.  In place of the last Mox, you can run Cabal Ritual #4.  In place of Imperial Seal, use Tainted Pact (what I used for a brief time before Seal was legal).  Then try to get Welder #4.  Also, I suggest using Chromatic Star over Chromatic Sphere.  You can Weld it in and out of play to draw some cards without losing all your artifacts.  It is really good with VT (and Seal, which, unforunately, you don't have access  to).

If there isn't much power in your meta, Null Rod won't be run much, and that's really the only card Belcher is largely concerned with it.  In a meta with no Rods, it's awesome.  You'd be amazed how well Belcher can deal with aggro critters.  The number of aggro decks that lose to Tinder Wall is truly staggering.

[Koeka]

Since a friend of mine is already playing belcher I can´t lend the cards that I´m missing so I´ll have to play another deck.
At school I remebered a budget combo deck I played.
I won a non proxie tourney with it, bu the only serious deck I had to play against was gobs so it wasn´t a really competetive meta.

This is the list from the top off my head with 5 proxies added.

3 Artificers Intuition
4 Skullclamp
3 Helm of Awakening
2 Sensei´s Divining Top
4 Myr Servitor
4 Cloud of Faeries
2 Ornithopter
4 Force of Will
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall (proxie 1)
1 Tinker
1 Memory Jar
1 Crop Rotation
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Mox Saphire (proxie 2)
1 Mox Jet (proxie 3)
1 Mox Emeral-Ruby (proxie 4)
1 Black Lotus (proxie 5)
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
1 Lotus Petal
1 LED
1 Mox Diamond
3 Thoughtcast
1 Cunning Wish
4 City of Brass
3 Gemstone Mine
1 Tolarian Academy
2 Seat of the Synod
1 Vault of Whispers
2 Forbidden Orchard

I can´t Remember what I played in the side, tendrills of agony might be a better win condition since you can play it with a lower storm count.
The main combo is helm~and double top.
In my opinion this deck is better then suicide virus but that doesnt say a lot.
I can either play this deck, t1 spring tide or grim long, wich deck sounds best for a meta full of aggro and random control decks(question mark, these random school computers are so weird)

thanx, greetz koeka

[FlamingCloud]

Wouldn't it be better to just replace the grim tutors with perplex, diabolic tutor, infernal tutor, demonic consultation etc, and proxy 3 moxes?(not that I have testing results that shows this or anything, but I assume moxes are more important then the grims)  Also the deck isn't exactly budget, with 11 cards over $10 and another 20 or so in the $5 +-$2 range.  Deck would be about $250 compared to a 5 proxy ichorid which would probably only run like $75... Ofcourse these cards are almost all staples and getting them is a wise course of action, however that doesn't exactly make it budget, just powerless.

[Koeka]

I have all the cards for the deck already so it's budget  sry to flame, Perplex is nice but grim tutor is really needed, it also fetches lotus recall etc etc.
Also to note I have all the cards listed above, so I have to choose wich of the two decks I will play (grim long and the artificers clamp deck)

[Draven]

It seems if you are playing against random aggro and control, some variation of Oath might be pretty good. It looks like you already have at least 3 Orchards. Even if you use 4 proxies for the Oath's, you can still pretty much use the base of cards you have.

I know this is a discussion is about 5 proxie Grim Long, I just don't think that is going to work well. The ToA based decks really want to have the full complement of power, I would even go as far as to say they need the full power.

One thought that just came to mind was Doomsday. I believe that deck was designed on a 5 proxie budget.

3 Island
3 Swamp
4 Polluted Delta
4 Underground SEa

1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
1 Lion's Eye Diamond

4 Dark Ritual
2 Cabal Ritual

1 Chromatic Sphere

4 Doomsday
1 Necropotence
1 Yawgmoth's Will

1 Timetwister
1 Windfall/Lim-Dul's Vault/Frantic Search/Undecided Slot

1 GUSH
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Mind's Desire
1 Mystical Tutor

4 Force of Will
1 Misdirection
4 Brainstorm

4 Duress
4 Unmask
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor

1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Beacon of Destruction

Here is the starcity link to the article about the eck: http://www.starcitygames.com/php/news/expandnews.php?Article=8372

Gie it a shot. I played Doomsday at a tourney (the first tourney after I got my Lotus ) and it did okay. I would strongly suggest goldfishing every waking moment. If you can find a way to goldfish while you are sleeping, that would be helpful too. Good luck, and we want to hear how the tourney turns out!

[edit] Fixed typos

[CCClark]

In a mostly aggro combo type enviroment, I think I'd have to go Oath.   It's easy to build on a budget and tears into bother aggro and combo hard.   Just a thought though.

[Draven]

In a mostly aggro combo type enviroment, I think I'd have to go Oath.   It's easy to build on a budget and tears into bother aggro and combo hard.   Just a thought though.

As the beginning of my post stated, I agree with you. Oath is a great idea against random aggro. However, if he was dead set on a Tendrils based combo deck, then I wanted to give him a suggestion on a budget Tendrils deck.

[Koeka]

I have no acces to oath or duals before the tourney, so that's going to be a problem.
I think the artificers intuition deck is better then the grim long list, I am also more familliar to it and I designed the deck myself(with inspiration from suicide virus) wich makes it even cooler, so I'm going to play it this friday at FNM

I also made some changes to the list shown above,

-2 Orchard
-1 LED
-1 Wheel of Fortune
-1 Tinker
-1 Memory Jar
-1 Mystical Tutor
+1 Thoughtcast
+1 Tendrills of Agony
+1 Vault of Whispers
+1 Chrome Mox
+1 Enlightened Tutor (is it better then the mystical?)
+1 Ornithopter (I needed more critters)

I replaced mystical tutor with enlightened tutor because it dint fetch enough cards anymore, but with these changes I do keep yust 16 blue cards for Fow wich might be a bit low
It's still not perfect and the land count might be a bit low now but not to low, anyone else with some tips?