Treacherous Tutor

[lordmayhem]

Current wording:

Treacherous Tutor 1
Sorcery

Search your library for a card and put that card into your hand. Then shuffle your library.
Then any opponent may remove a card in their hand from the game. If the player does, he or she may copy this spell.

[parallax]

I think "If a player does, that player gains control of ~this~." is probably the best wording.

[lordmayhem]

Fixed the wording. Thank you.

[OfficeShredder]

I don't see how letting players only do that once helps.... either way, the player who casts the spell is the one that's going to end up with it, it's just that your opponent doesn't have a chance to run the life totals.  So it benefits the player who casts the spell

[lordmayhem]

I don't see how letting players only do that once helps.... either way, the player who casts the spell is the one that's going to end up with it, it's just that your opponent doesn't have a chance to run the life totals.  So it benefits the player who casts the spell

Limiting the casting to once means that your opponent gains control of it permanently and you, the player, do not have the opportunity to pay 5 life to get it back. I'm not sure if that works, but I think it does.

[Darkenslight]

Why not make the ability activated, like this:

Pay 5 life: gain control of ~.  any player may play this ability, but only while ~ is on the stack.

[lordmayhem]

Why not make the ability activated, like this:

Pay 5 life: gain control of ~.  any player may play this ability, but only while ~ is on the stack.

Because of Stifle / Trickbind. This is the same reason I didn't make it say "When you play {this} etc etc"

[OfficeShredder]

I see what you mean now... I'm not sure if the wording limits each player to using it once, or just once between all the players.

Doesn't the active player get the first opportunity to pay 5 life though?

[lordmayhem]

That is a very good point. Wording updated.

[Malhavoc]

If you don't want the back-and-forth anymore, then you can write it simply in this way:

When you play THIS, any opponent may pay 5 life. If a player does, he takes control of THIS.

I feel it rather weak this way, however; i liked the life bid for the tutor.

What about something like Chain of Vapor?

(do the demonic). Then an opponent of your choice may pay 5 life. If the player does, he or she may copy this spell.

[lordmayhem]

If you don't want the back-and-forth anymore, then you can write it simply in this way:

When you play THIS, any opponent may pay 5 life. If a player does, he takes control of THIS.

I already addressed this issue. I do not want a triggered or activated ability because I don't want it Stifled or Trickbinded. I am aware that the chances of that happening are slim to none, but I don't want to leave that option open.

I feel it rather weak this way, however; i liked the life bid for the tutor.

The problem with the life bid tutor is that your opponent is always at the disadvantage. You can see this in the example I provided in the first post.

What about something like Chain of Vapor?

(do the demonic). Then an opponent of your choice may pay 5 life. If the player does, he or she may copy this spell.

Well there have been previous Demonic Tutor rehashes which look something like : You and target opponent {do a demonic}. This would be the same with the exception of your opponent having to pay 5 life for it.

This means a lot. Not only do you get to the search for your card, but your opponent just put himself into closer Tendrils range in combo.

[Malhavoc]

Well there have been previous Demonic Tutor rehashes which look something like : You and target opponent {do a demonic}. This would be the same with the exception of your opponent having to pay 5 life for it.

But he could get a counter for your bomb, so in the end it woul just be "opponent lose 5 life". Or he could play risky and tutor another bomb (and you don't know it), to play in its next turn and combo out. Plus, like chain of vapor, you can decide to pay and tutor everytime your opponent pays life; this would leave a bit of the "bit" flavor the card had at the beginning: who pays more get more.

[zimagic]

This ia little like browbeat cards where your opponents gets the effect if he pays the life rather than countering the spell. The downside to that cycle is that your opponent would always do what was least advantageous to you at that stage of the game.

There are very few times where Demonic Tutoring for a 0 mana/5 life investment in your opponent's turn (where he also pays 1B to let you do so BTW) would be less beneficial that letting your opponent Demonic. Your opponent will almost always pay the life.

Allowing your opponent to tutor in addition to you, Chain of X style, seems like a card people would play.

[lordmayhem]

Updated the wording to reflect the Chain of X style. Rather than pay 5 life, I changed it to RFGing a card from their hand.