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Harlequin
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« on: February 01, 2007, 10:48:26 am »

Timecrafting - XR
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Choose one - Put X time counters on target permanent or suspended card; or remove X time counters from target permanent or suspended card.

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Ok lets say I have a card suspended.  And when I get to the upkeep where I remove the last counter something prevents me from playing the spell - Say Meddling Mage.  So the card gets stuck in space.  Later the Meddling mage dies, and I use Timecrafting to put a time counter on the suspended card.  Does this alow the card to continue as normal (and possibly alow it to be played next upkeep)?

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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2007, 12:23:36 pm »

From the Comprehensive Rules:
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502.59a Suspend is a keyword that represents three abilities. The first is a static ability that functions while the card with suspend is in a player's hand. The second and third are triggered abilities that function in the removed-from-the-game zone. "Suspend N-[cost]" means "If you could play this card from your hand, you may pay [cost] and remove it from the game with N time counters on it. This action doesn't use the stack," and "At the beginning of your upkeep, if this card is suspended, remove a time counter from it," and "When the last time counter is removed from this card, if it's removed from the game, play it without paying its mana cost if able. If you can't, it remains removed from the game. If you play a creature spell this way, it gains haste until you lose control of the spell or the permanent it becomes."

Bolding is mine.

Normally, the condition of the last time counter being removed from a card only happens once.  However, the "play it without paying its casting cost" effect would trigger every time the condition "the lat time counter is removed from this card" unless it were to somehow lose the Suspend abaility.
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2007, 01:54:00 pm »

A card only has suspend if it still has time counters on it. When you remove the last counter (with Meddling Mage in play), but are unable to play it, it no longer has suspend. Thus, you cannot target it with Timecrafting.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2007, 02:26:36 pm »

A card only has suspend if it still has time counters on it. When you remove the last counter (with Meddling Mage in play), but are unable to play it, it no longer has suspend. Thus, you cannot target it with Timecrafting.

That was my gut feeling.  Esp because the other cards like it (clock spinning and Timebug) both referance cards with counters on them already.  This card was worded different so I was thinking it may work different.  But thanks for the clairification.

For what its worth, the follow up question was going to be if I RFG a Suspend card face up by other means (Tormod's, FOW, etc) can I then activate it with Timecrafting ... clearly if the un-susspended doesn't work, it won't work on a random RFGed card either.
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2007, 05:30:56 pm »

A card only has suspend if it still has time counters on it. When you remove the last counter (with Meddling Mage in play), but are unable to play it, it no longer has suspend. Thus, you cannot target it with Timecrafting.
The actual rule that supports parallax's conclusion:

502.59b A card is "suspended" if it's in the removed-from-the-game zone, has suspend, and has a time counter on it.

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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2007, 10:40:32 pm »

Hmmmmm ,hmmmmmmm...

It says "a card is suspended if" then it lists three conditions that must all be true for the card to be suspended. Having suspend is  one of the requirements to being "suspended", but the card does not explicity lose suspend when it is not suspended.

Empty the Warrens has storm no matter what zone it is in, for example.

This is to say that, cards still have suspend even when removed from the game.
You cannot add counters to them with the previous listed cards because the removed card is not "suspended", despite having the suspend ability , because those cards specify they can target a card that is "suspended" as opposed to "a card with suspend".

Just saying this to clarify that the removed card still has suspend.
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