4/28 - Win Becker’s Collection, $1K in prizes guaranteed! @ COD (Chicago)

[ErkBek]

This will be my last tournament I’ll be holding and the last one I’ll be playing in too.  I’ll be giving out the remainder of my collection out in prizes regardless of attendance! It’s going to be the biggest proxy vintage tournament the Midwest has seen in years!

Here will be the prizes for the main event

1st Place: Mox Sapphire

2nd Place: The entire deck I’m playing that day, UBr Grim Long (Grims, Iseal, and Power will be proxied)

3rd Place: Beta Wheel of Fortune

4th Place: FBB Underground Sea

5th – 8th: Will be prizes totaling around $50 each.

I will also be holding a side event that will be free entry if you played in the main event or $5 otherwise. It’ll be starting the concurrently with the last round of swiss.

1st Place: 4x Force of Will

2nd Place: 2x Misdirection

Here are the details.

When: Saturday, April 28th. Registration starts at 11:00, event starts at noon.

Where: College of Dupage
             425 Fawell Blvd.
             Glen Ellyn, IL

Entry: $25 and 2 non-perishable food items (or a $2 donation).
-  the food and donations will be given to The Chicago Food Depository. .
- 15 proxies will be allowed.  Please, no slips of paper, follow the SCG proxy guidelines. 

I will be playing in the tournament, and it will be judged and ran by John Donovan (the guy that held the good tournaments at COD).

I’ll be buying pizza for everyone at the tournament for in between rounds 2 and 3.

Please post (or PM me) any questions or comments about the event. Also, if anyone is running late for the event, give me a call @ (815) 440-5011 so we know to wait for you (or at least put you in the computer), otherwise we will be promptly starting the event at 11:00.

Thanks and I hope to see everyone in the Midwest there for my last tournament.

-Eric Becker

EDIT: Notice the date has been changed to the 28th. I've also decided to start the tournament at noon instead of 11 since its on a Saturday instead of Sunday. Also it's Roxas' birthday so he will bring cake for everyone......maybe 

[Smmenen]

If you wait until after the Grand Prix, I'll definitely come. 

[Tin_Mox5831]

This will be epic. I love the donation clause as well. Nothing like doing good AND slinging magical cards simultaneously.

Count me in!

Later,
Dave

[ErkBek]

If you wait until after the Grand Prix, I'll definitely come. 

Sorry Steve, I graduate May 15th and I'm moving the following week.

[Hydra]

Told you I'd be there, plan on keeping my word.

[ErkBek]

Okay, so a huge problem with this date has come up. Pastimes in Chicago has announced a GPT for the same day. That's definitely no good.

It's likely I'll be changing the date of this to the 5th or 6th of May. Does anyone have any objections to this? If so, please post of PM me. Otherwise, I'll being likely changing the date really soon.

[Kowal]

If it could wait until June, I would be there no question.  I don't really care about the prizes, but it sounds awesome.

As it stands, it is extremely unlikely I'll be in attendance, though I'd certainly love to make the trip.

[ErkBek]

If it could wait until June, I would be there no question.  I don't really care about the prizes, but it sounds awesome.

As it stands, it is extremely unlikely I'll be in attendance, though I'd certainly love to make the trip.

If you wait until after the Grand Prix, I'll definitely come. 

Sorry Steve Kowal, I graduate May 15th and I'm moving the following week.

[GrandpaBelcher]

Could it perhaps be on a Saturday?

[ErkBek]

Could it perhaps be on a Saturday?

I forgot to mention that Saturday the 28th is a GPT in Madison. It's looking like I'm going to have to go up against that. I'd say it's about 90% that I'll be moving the tournament to the 28th.

[Twaun007]

Could it perhaps be on a Saturday?

I forgot to mention that Saturday the 28th is a GPT in Madison. It's looking like I'm going to have to go up against that. I'd say it's about 90% that I'll be moving the tournament to the 28th.

Win Beckers collection April 28th, RIW April 29th win an Ancestral Recall. I'd rather piss barbed wire then miss this!

[Roxas]

The 28th is my birthday, so I hope to be bringing a cake or something.

[ErkBek]

The 28th is my birthday, so I hope to be bringing a cake or something.

On that note, I'm changing the tournament to the 28th.

[Gekoratel]

This tournament sounds incredible, unforunately it's a 10 hour drive.  I hope you get a really good turn out.

[Dxfiler]

I don't mean to be negative...

but it seems a little not-optimal (to put it nicely) to advertise your tourneys to win your own collection and then play in them for a chance to not give some of it away.

As someone who does travel quite far for vintage tourneys, personally I don't find it appealing when someone basically organizes and promotes their own tourney and then plays in it.  I understand you aren't running this tourney or judging it,
but I gotta believe you're going to make a profit from this no matter how do you, since you're the one putting the prizes up.

Playing in a tourney where you give out your own prizes just doesn't send out a very good vibe in my opinion.

- Dave Feinstein

While the concern is a valid one, the demeanour and tone in this post leaves much to be desired, especially from someone who should be setting an example to the rest of the TMD community.
-Godder

[Rhyno]

Dave you have this situation totally twisted! First off to assume Eric was trying to pull something just shows you have no idea who he is or what he is about. You say you don’t mean to be negative so maybe it’s that your personality that just can’t help it. I’ve seen you say and accuse some pretty dumb shit on the drain, but this is too much. Even if you honestly feel this way, maybe this would have been something to better discuss in a pm, especially being that it’s Adept to Adept. Or maybe that doesn’t mean much anymore, I don’t know, things like this are the very reason I don’t often bother even looking at the site anymore. Eric like most of us loves this game, but his life is headed in a direction he has to put it down, I can see you not understanding the honor in that. All he wants is for it go out with a bang. This isn't some scandalous scheme like you have now projected to other people who also might not of had the pleasure of knowing Eric themselves. There was a time when some of if not the only tourneys in Mil-Chi area where at the store I manage, and yes I would organize and get power for these events, hire a judge and have someone else run it so I could play. Why? Because I love this game and the friends I have made. I gave the community events to play in when there weren’t others, not for myself but for everyone. Eric should be praised, anyone who sets up and ensure a well run tourney(which I’m positive this will be), should be praised. He certainly doesn’t deserve to be subject to your slanderous BS, get a clue!

Ryan Spindler

If you have issues with a post, report it or PM a Moderator. If you must take it further, PM the person concerned.
-Godder

[ErkBek]

I don't mean to be negative...

but it seems a little not-optimal (to put it nicely) to advertise your tourneys to win your own collection and then play in them for a chance to not give some of it away.

As someone who does travel quite far for vintage tourneys, personally I don't find it appealing when someone basically organizes and promotes their own tourney and then plays in it.  I understand you aren't running this tourney or judging it,
but I gotta believe you're going to make a profit from this no matter how do you, since you're the one putting the prizes up.

Playing in a tourney where you give out your own prizes just doesn't send out a very good vibe in my opinion.

- Dave Feinstein

Dave, the reason I started to hold tournaments was not to make a profit, but to play vintage. Here’s a piece from my first tournament announcement

[quote author = me] I haven’t played in a vintage tournament for almost 2 months, with none on the horizon, I decided to take matters into my own hands.[/quote]

At that tournament I made about $25.

My tournament I held 2 weeks ago I lost about $65. For a 15 person event (including myself) I collected $375 in entry fees and I gave out the following prizes: 2x NM Shops, 2x NM Volcanic Island, 1x Foil Memory Jar.

Honestly, I’m not interested in making money at these events, breaking even would be nice though. I’ve guaranteed a little over $1000 in prizes, plus I’m buying pizza for everyone, so I’ll need at least 43 people to show to break even.

I’m playing in the event because I want to. If I didn’t play in the tournament, I’d have 99% percent of the people there asking why I’m not playing. I don’t want to sit on the sidelines for my last tournament. If I win anything substantial, I’ll host another tournament starting immediately after this one ends for whatever I win.

[Dxfiler]

Dave you have this situation totally twisted! First off to assume Eric was trying to pull something just shows you have no idea who he is or what he is about. You say you don’t mean to be negative so maybe it’s that your personality that just can’t help it. I’ve seen you say and accuse some pretty dumb shit on the drain, but this is too much. Even if you honestly feel this way, maybe this would have been something to better discuss in a pm, especially being that it’s Adept to Adept. Or maybe that doesn’t mean much anymore, I don’t know, things like this are the very reason I don’t often bother even looking at the site anymore. Eric like most of us loves this game, but his life is headed in a direction he has to put it down, I can see you not understanding the honor in that. All he wants is for it go out with a bang. This isn't some scandalous scheme like you have now projected to other people who also might not of had the pleasure of knowing Eric themselves. There was a time when some of if not the only tourneys in Mil-Chi area where at the store I manage, and yes I would organize and get power for these events, hire a judge and have someone else run it so I could play. Why? Because I love this game and the friends I have made. I gave the community events to play in when there weren’t others, not for myself but for everyone. Eric should be praised, anyone who sets up and ensure a well run tourney(which I’m positive this will be), should be praised. He certainly doesn’t deserve to be subject to your slanderous BS, get a clue!


Ryan Spindler

Hi Ryan.  I have a clue.  Maybe you should actually read what I've written instead before ranting on me for things I never said.  I never accused Eric of anything, I never said he had a "scandalous scheme," and you're obviously friendly with him and feel this urgent need to defend his "honor"... except I didn't attack him :p

I've met Eric.  I like Eric.  I respect Eric. 

I don't think I "slandered" him in any way, shape or form.  I just wanted to share my view on one particular stance that affects what tourneys I play in:

I feel that playing in tourneys where your own prize is given out hurts the overall legitimacy of the format.  I hate to compare type one to sanctioned, but this is one instance where sanctioned has it right.  TO's don't play in their own tourneys because of the potential conflict of interest.  Although Eric isn't actually running the tournament, it's still effectively his tournament in this particular scenario.   


Eric, thanks for the rationale response.  I hope your last tournament goes well. 

- Dave Feinstein

P.S. The canned food thing is awesome

[Moxlotus]

I fail to see how playing in a tournament where you are supplying the pre-announced, guaranteed prizes hurts the legitimacy of the format.  Can you elaborate on that at all?

[Shock Wave]

I feel that playing in tourneys where your own prize is given out hurts the overall legitimacy of the format.  I hate to compare type one to sanctioned, but this is one instance where sanctioned has it right.  TO's don't play in their own tourneys because of the potential conflict of interest.  Although Eric isn't actually running the tournament, it's still effectively his tournament in this particular scenario.

I think hurting the legitimacy of the format is definitely a stretch. I would say it compromises the integrity of this event, if, and only if, a player were to feel that Eric's integrity were in question. The only real problem with a TO playing in their own event is the judging scenario. If we can trust Eric to play by the rules and not bend them in his favour, which we have no reason not to, then there is no problem here. I think that as long as everyone knows the TO is playing in the event beforehand, which is explicitly stated, then players can make an informed decision as to whether this is an event they would like to support.

but it seems a little not-optimal (to put it nicely) to advertise your tourneys to win your own collection and then play in them for a chance to not give some of it away.

... "to play in them for a chance not to give it back". Hrmmm. That's an interesting implication to deliver, to say the least. Maybe he is playing in the event because it is Vintage, and he loves to play Vintage, not because it would bring joy to his heart to "have a chance not to give his prizes away" and then cackle like the grinch that stole Christmas.

I understand you aren't running this tourney or judging it, but I gotta believe you're going to make a profit from this no matter how do you, since you're the one putting the prizes up.

Does it bother you if he makes a profit? I certainly wish every TO that ran a fair event walked away with a profit for their time and effort. Why is this relevant at all?

I hate to compare type one to sanctioned, but this is one instance where sanctioned has it right.  TO's don't play in their own tourneys because of the potential conflict of interest.

So what's the issue here? Is it that there's a conflict of interest, or that Eric shouldn't have a chance to "not give his prizes away", or because he has the opportunity to make some money by supporting the format that we all love to play (what a horrible situation!)? If you are only concerned about the conflict of interest, then your initial post is a little not-optimal (to put it nicely) in communicating that message.

[Rhyno]

Dave your missing the point. If you had an honest concern you would have sent that msg in a pm, but instead your hurting the "overall legitimacy of the format" spreding negative press. I know how hard it is to organize events and make sure you get enough people, without someone vomiting negativity just to stir up trouble. I undrstand your the all mighty Dave Feinstein, but not everyone needs to know "what Dave thinks about this" all the time. I think your intial response was a low blow and that's why I responded the way I did. You make me wish I had never logged on to the drain today and this isn't the first time.

This whole exchange should have been by PM. It can be difficult at times, but please keep it civil in future.
-Godder

[Demonic Attorney]

Enough.  A tournament announcement thread should not be an arena for interpersonal criticism.  Some people who have posted in this thread will be hearing from the staff via PM. 

[forests failed you]

Eric,

I really hope to make it out to this event, and it will be dependent upon whether or not I can get it off from work.  To anybody considering attending this event I would strongly advise that you:  DO IT!  Eric is a fantastic guy and this may be your last chance to match wits with one of Vintage's finest, win his cards, and give him a proper send off away from the world of Vintage.

I would be disappointed if I drove all the way out to this event and Eric wasn't playing in it. 

[ErkBek]

Future Sight is obviously going to have a pretty considerable impact on vintage. Unfortunately, most people won't have time to test it so I don't think it'd be fair to make it legal for the main event.

However, I was considering making it legal for the side event since that's more of a for fun. You would be able to proxy unlimited FS cards along with the standard 15 proxies. Of the people that plan to attend, what would you think of that?

[ErkBek]

Future Sight is obviously going to have a pretty considerable impact on vintage. Unfortunately, most people won't have time to test it so I don't think it'd be fair to make it legal for the main event.

However, I was considering making it legal for the side event since that's more of a for fun. You would be able to proxy unlimited FS cards along with the standard 15 proxies. Of the people that plan to attend, what would you think of that?

Anybody have any opinions on the FS legality for the free tournament? It's looking like it won't be...

[ErkBek]

This thing is in less than 1 week. Future Sight will not be legal for either event.

[ErkBek]

This is going to be the first meeting of GWS, ICBM, and Ogre in over a year. Who's going to come out on top?
GWS?
ICBM?
Ogre?
a new team?
a team-less warrior?
me?

I other than Moxlotus, all of GWS should be there.

Dan Carp won't be there so ICBM's chances drop about 30%, but they will likely be bringing about 10 to 12 people including the great TK.

Team Ogre, said about 25 people from STL are going!!!! Can you believe that!!!!

No, but seriously, Ogre will be bringing the full crew that refuses to play yawg will since they prefer to play decks that hate it. I'm guessing about 8.

I've talked with some natives from Indiana, I know of a car of 4 going. Springfield is bringing 7, including former SCG winnar Josh Roughly!

I've got a stack of free stuff I'll be giving out as door prizes. Don't forget, I'll be buying pizza for lunch and Roxas is supposed to bring birthday cake. Remember to bring your canned goods!

[Moxlotus]

If I was going, I'd make damn sure it was chocolate cake!

[Roxas]

If there are going to be that many people, I think it'd be better for me to bring cupcakes instead of a cake for various logistical reasons.

This event really looks like it's going to be huge and awesome, fitting for Eric's last tournament.

[Twaun007]

I got a fever.......and the only perscription is more mox tourneys!

6:30am...The Natmizer and I are setting of for the great Becker collection give away! We should be getting to Chi-town in about 4.5 hours.
Coffee is in hand and Twaun007 is at the wheel.
w00t!