MEANDECK OPEN - SANCTIONED LEGACY, SUNDAY, May. 6, 2007

[Smmenen]

We are holding a series of Legacy tournaments in Columbus, Ohio leading up to the Grand Prix. Some of you have expressed interest in legacy in Columbus. Those of you from the midwest have no excuse! Come out and play. Our last event was a great success so we wish to build upon it!

To summarize:

What: Legacy tournament

Entry is $15

Where: The Soldiery

4256 N. High St.

Columbus, Ohio 43214

When: May 6, 2007

Prizes: Will be based upon attendance. Last time we gave away
1st: $200
2nd: $120
3rd:$60
4th:$20

Regardless of attendance, $200 is GUARANTEED to be given away, like last time.

Registration starts at 12:30. Tournament begins at 1pm sharp.
Tournament will probably run until around 8-9pm.

Swiss with cut to top 8 (unless low attendance, cut to top 4).

Also: this event will be sanctioned and judged. Don't forget your DCI number! With GP: Columbus coming up after the event, this is a good place to test your deck or cut your teeth on the Legacy format.

Hope you can make it!

[Tin_Mox5831]

Sweet. Yet another valuable playtesting opportunity before the Grand Prix. If you're within traveling distance of this and plan on playing the GP, you need to be here. The metagame is mature and well-developed, not to mention the overall high level of technical play you'll find there.

See you there!

Later,
Dave

[Caboose]

I scrubbed out last time. In all fairness, I was using a brand new deck that I was unfamiliar with, but I'm still afraid to go. Losing money is not tech. This is a huge maybe in my book. 

[Smmenen]

A reminder, this is this Sunday.    Great prizes, great fun - come on out!

Stephen

[LordHomerCat]

Damn, my girlfriend graduates this day so I can't go =/  Would have liked another chance to get ready for the GP.  Good luck to those who do show, I guess.

[Tin_Mox5831]

This will be a great time, hope to see you all there!

Later,
Dave

[Caboose]

Oh wait, I'm coming to this. I was going to skip it because I scrubbed out last time, but then I remembered that I was playing a deck I hadn't ever touched before. I'll just bring Threshold

[Illissius]

If someone could bring a pre-FS (so the same as what will be legal at the GP) version of Hulk Flash to this, to see whether it really does completely bork the format, that would be great. Thanks.

[Caboose]

If someone could bring a pre-FS (so the same as what will be legal at the GP) version of Hulk Flash to this, to see whether it really does completely bork the format, that would be great. Thanks.

You can count on Menendian 

By the way, I have 4 Mirage Flash and a foil signed Hulk if anyone wants to put the deck together.

[MasterShake]

I'm pretty sure that deck will not exist by the time that Future Sight is legal (and frankly, probably isn't working as you are all hoping at current.) The only reason I can imagine that it exists at the moment is because of a mistake in a recent Oracle/Gatherer update. There is no reason for the Oracle text on Flash to have changed, Every site and database that I can find lists Flash as:

Choose a creature card in your hand. You may pay its mana cost reduced by up to . If you do, put that card into play. If you don't, put that card into your graveyard.

Even Gatherer lists Flash's rules summary with the reminder that:

# 04/10/2004 The mana cost you pay includes colored mana. It effectively means that you play the other spell as normal but pay 2 less colorless mana in doing so.
# 04/10/2004 You choose the creature card, optionally pay its mana cost, then put it into play if you paid the cost or into the graveyard if you didn't. All this happens during the resolution.

My guess is that, for the time being, this is only legal if you have an inept judge, and certainly won't be legal past the next oracle update. But, if it's as degenerate as is being claimed, it will be rendered useless even before that.

[Illissius]

I don't want to hijack the thread, but the DCI has confirmed that the change is intentional (post, thread). The old rulings are no longer relevant and they are supposedly removing them from Gatherer today. That all the other websites have yet to update to the official Oracle wording has nothing to do with it. The only realistic way this is leaving the format before the Grand Prix is an emergency banning. Which is why I'd like to know if the deck actually deserves to be banned. It would be a damn shame if the first Legacy Grand Prix in over a year were wrecked by a combo deck which became legal at the beginning of the month and illegal at the end of it.

[GrandpaBelcher]

Are we sure this will be legal at the GP, though?

From the Gatherer rulings:

Legal In May 20 Legacy, May 20 Vintage, Legacy, Vintage, Prismatic, Tribal Wars Classic, Singleton, Two-Headed Giant, Mirage Block

That seems to indicate it will become legal the day after the GP starts and will therefore be not legal either day.

Or I could be completely wrong and the format will implode.

Regardless, I will try to be at this tournament, hopefully packing some new tech that doesn't include Flash.

[Illissius]

Are we sure this will be legal at the GP, though?

From the Gatherer rulings:

Legal In May 20 Legacy, May 20 Vintage, Legacy, Vintage, Prismatic, Tribal Wars Classic, Singleton, Two-Headed Giant, Mirage Block

Gatherer lists formats before/after a set enters legality separately, so "Legacy before May 20th" and "Legacy after May 20th". All this list says is that the card Flash is legal in both of these.

[Caboose]

Actually, there will be at least two Hulk Flash decks at the Pittsburgh trial with a few hundred games of testing under each pilot's belt.

[LordHomerCat]

Future Sight is NOT legal for the actual GP.  Flash is legal, and Protean Hulk is legal, but the Pacts are not.  Everything else is fine, so if you can make the deck win without using Future Sight cards, then you can play it at the GP.

In Summary:

Future Sight = NOT LEGAL at the GP

Flash = LEGAL for the GP, but no Pacts.

[Smmenen]

I'd like to thank everyone that came out!

We had 29 players and our eventual prize breakdown was:

1st Place: $200
2nd place: $100
3rd place: $30

Paul Mastriano and Nat Moes Split - Congratulations!   

Paul played a Hulk Flash variant and Nat Moes was playing UWB Fish!

Great job to both of you!

[erictehfatz0r]

Congrats Paul, I knew the Kiki-Combo was the right call!

[Twaun007]

Congtatz Nat! You were due for some dojo domination.




Congratz to Paul too.

[erictehfatz0r]

Yeah Nat, that Chicken Whoopee the day before did some good. Great Job and awesome deck!

[The Cisco Kid]

Can anyone give more info about the rest of the top 8? I'm trying to compile some stats from last week's events to this week's to show the effects of Flash on the metagame. Any help would be wonderful!

[Bardo]

Lists would be nice too.

[erictehfatz0r]

I wasn't there, but I heard from the GPT that Mastriano was playing the Kiki-Combo with Lim-Dul's Vaults and stuff.

Nat's deck is packed full of goodies, and Vial. Extirpate ftw for sure. I honestly don't know what would win, Mastriano or Nat.

[GrandpaBelcher]

Nat's deck is packed full of goodies, and Vial. Extirpate ftw for sure. I honestly don't know what would win, Mastriano or Nat.

Hmm... no Extirpate.  But I sure did have a lot of hate for Flash Combo, figuring, of course that I got a turn.  I expect Steve will post the lists at some point, but here's what I played...

4x Force of Will
4x Daze
4x Brainstorm
4x Aether Vial
3x Duress
2x Cabal Therapy
3x Swords to Plowshares

4x Serendib Efreet
4x Dark Confidant
4x Meddling Mage
3x Mother of Runes
3x Jotun Grunt

4x Polluted Delta
4x Underground Sea
3x Flooded Strand
3x Tundra
2x Island
1x Swamp
1x Plains

Sideboard
4x Stifle
3x Samurai of the Pale Curtain
3x Kataki, War's Wage
2x Darkblast
2x Umezawa's Jitte
1x Sword of Fire and Ice

Force, Daze, Mage, Duress, Therapy, Stifle, Samurai all seem pretty good against Flash, and Swords can work against the Kiki-Jiki combo if I'm not mistaken.  That's 24 cards post board. 

Of course, I only met one Flash player all day.  Every other match it was side out Force and Duress, side in creature kill.  Way to predict the metagame, I guess.  I was much happier to have the Aether Vials as I met two Standstill players.

Anyway, I'll have a tournament report in my blog in a day or two if you click the Thurman Burger in my signature.  Plus, I'll have a picture that symbolizes the coming of the Legacy apocalypse:  Mark Trogdon playing ISLANDS!

[Smmenen]

I wasn't there, but I heard from the GPT that Mastriano was playing the Kiki-Combo with Lim-Dul's Vaults and stuff.

Nat's deck is packed full of goodies, and Vial. Extirpate ftw for sure. I honestly don't know what would win, Mastriano or Nat.

Paul didn't play any lim-dul's vault. 

[erictehfatz0r]

Hrm, my mistake then. Chalk that one up to third parties and me not being there.

[jazzykat]

[ But I sure did have a lot of hate for Flash Combo, figuring, of course that I got a turn. 

Congratulations on your finish. Why weren't you playing Leyline of the Void in your board if you wanted to really hate flash?

[GrandpaBelcher]

There were a few reasons why I didn't play Leyline.

1) Three of my Leylines are on vacation in Lucas county.
2) I had just bought the Samurai the night before, so for me at least they were the hot new tech.
3) Samurai seemed like a good choice in Legacy anyway since they attack and block and so can be brought in against more decks than just combo.

My feeling is that, except in a few cases (Mesmeric Fiend, I'm looking in your direction), if I can have the same kind of disruptive ability on an attacking body, I'll choose that over the thing that doesn't attack.  In Legacy especially.  I think the Samurai came in from the board in just about every match (maindeck material?) if only to attack for two and block for three.  He could stop Crucible tricks against Landstill and tangle with most Fish creatures.  He even has the benefit against Affinity of shutting down the back end of the modular ability.

So, basically, I felt that Samurai was more versatile than Leyline of the Void, even if Leyline comes down sooner in some cases and is better against IGGy Pop.

I only had trouble getting Samurai into play (either getting WW or ramping Vial to two counters) once.  It was against Flash, appropriately enough, and I had a Meddling Mage to hold things down until I found another white mana source.  The casting cost was certainly a consideration, but was not enough of one to keep the card out of the board.  (It was enough to keep Silver Knight out of the board as Goblin hate over Kataki as Affinity hate.  That was a gamble that ended up paying off.)

[Smmenen]

Decklists!!!

1st PLace: Paul Mastriano with the Hybrid Hulk List

4 Flash
4 Protean Hulk
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
3 Daze
4 Mystical Tutor
4 Worldly Tutor
1 Kiki-Jiki, the Mirror Breaker
1 Carrion Feeder
1 Karmic Guide
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Duress
3 Cabal Therapy
1 Volrath's Shapeshifter
3 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Lotus Petal

SB:
4 Divert
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Massacre
1 Echoing Truth
2 Pyroblast
2 Red Elemental Blast

2nd Place: Nat Moes
4 Meddling Mage
4 Aether Vial
4 Force of Will
4 Serendib Efreet
4 Brainstorm
4 Daze
4 Dark Confidant
3 Duress
2 Cabal Therapy
3 Swords to Plowshares
3 Jotun Grunt
3 Mother of Runes
3 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
4 Underground Sea
3 Tundra
2 Island
1 Swamp
1 Plains

SB:
4 Stifle
2 Darkblast
3 Samari of the Pale Curtain
3 Kataki, War's Wage
2 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice

3rd: Josh Morford

4 Brainstorm
2 Fact or Fiction
4 Standstill
2 Daze
4 Counterspell
4 Force of Will
2 Crucible of Worlds
2 Pernicious Deed
2 Engineered Explosives
3 Damnation
4 Duress
3 Extirpate
1 Cabal Pit
1 Cephalid Coliseum
1 Bayou
1 Tropical Island
4 Underground Sea
4 Polluted Delta
3 Fearie Conclave
2 Island
3 Mishra's Factory
1 Wasteland
1 Tabernacle at Pendrale Vale
3 Vesuva

SB:
2 Innocent Blood
3 Pithing Needle
3 Engineered Plague
2 Phyrexian Negator
4 Stifle
1 Extirpate

4th Place: Anthony Cuevo
4 Tropical Island
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wasteland
4 Mishra's Factory
3 Island
1 Forest
4 Wild Mongrel
4 Basking Rootwalla
4 Ninja of the Deep Hours
2 Looter Il-Kor
2 Wonder

4 Force of Will
3 Daze
4 Stifle
2 Snap
4 Standstill
4 Brainstorm
3 Umezawa's Jitte

SB:
4 Hydroblast
4 Oxidize
3 Null Rod
4 Leyline of the Void

5th Place Pierre (Chris) Mondon

2 Cabal Therapy
4 Myr Enforcer
4 Thoughtcast
4 Frogmite
4 Arcbound Ravager
4 Cranial Plating
4 Disciple of the Vault
4 Aether Vial
4 Arcbound Worker
2 Chromatic Star
4 Ornithopter
3 Underground Sea
3 Great Furnace
4 Seat of Synod
4 Darksteel Citadel
4 Vault of Whispers
2 Standstill

SB:
4 Engineered Plague
3 Darkbalst
2 Cabal Therapy
3 Leyline of the Void
3 Tormod's Crypt

6th Tom Lapille

4 Mother of Runes
3 Isamaru, Hound of Konda
4 Meddling Mage
4 Dark Confidant
3 Jotun Grunt
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
4 Serum Visions
3 Daze
3 Stifle
3 Swords to Plowshares
3 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
4 Tundra
2 Scrubland
2 Underground Sea
1 Plains
1 Island

SB:
4 Engineered Plague
4 Duress
1 Jotun Grunt
1 Swords to Plowshares
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Swamp
2 Silver Knight



7th Akil Steele
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Eternal Witness
3 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Ravenous Baloth
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Carven Caryatid
4 Duress
4 Pernicious Deed
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Sakura Tribe Elder
1 Loxodon Hierarch
2 Volrath's Stronghold
4 Windswept Heath
3 Forest
2 Swamp
1 Plains
4 Bayou
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Polluted Delta

SB:
1 Iwarmori of the Open Fist
1 Rule of Law
3 Enlightened Tutor
2 Naturalize
1 Viridian Shaman
3 Tormod's Crypt
4 Engineered Plague

8th Place: Eric Blegen

4 Chalice of the Void
4 Chrome Mox
1 Pithing Needle
4 Swords of Fire and Ice
3 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Cloud of Faeries
4 Force of Will
3 Psionic Blast
3 Looter Il-Kor
4 Sea Drake
4 Serendib Efreet
2 Shoreline Ranger
3 Trinket Mage
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
2 Crystal Vein
6 Island
1 Seat of Synod

SB:
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Tormod's Crypt
3 Arcane Laboratory
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Propoganda
3 Powder Keg

[Matt]

I don't understand the Shifter tech. Hulk dies before Flash is done resolving, and when you next get priority, Shifter will see Flash on top of the graveyard and be a plain old 0/1. So what's the point?

[Smmenen]

Matt, I'm very surprised that you don't understand it.   It's quite simple.    I so deserve to be a Legacy adept

Here's what you do: You have Hulk, but don't have Flash and you don't have a Mystical Tutor.   BUT, you have Worldly Tutor.

You WT Up Shifter and you play it.   You discard Hulk, then you flash back Therapy.   It's another target for WT and it's another outlet for Hulk.   We are fully aware of the fact that Flash will fall ontop of Hulk.    That's not why its here.