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« on: May 12, 2007, 03:04:43 pm »

Card type: Creature

Creature type: Vampire

Power/Toughness:3/4

Casting cost: 3

Card text: Flying
Whenever a creature dealt damage by Soul Collector this turn is put into a graveyard, return that card to play under your control.
Morph BBB (You may play this face down as a 2/2 creature for 3.
Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)



Ok, It's my turn and I attack with a MORPHED soul collector, my opponet has Nessian Courser declared as a blocker, I then pay  {B} {B} {B} to Morph my Soul Collector.

Now my question is, Nessian Courser does not have flying, does that mean that it can no longer be a valid blocker, and I don't deal damage to it and kill it with Soul Collector, then gain control with it?

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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2007, 04:00:37 pm »

Once a creature is "blocked", it stays blocked unless something makes it not a blocker anymore.  Giving your dude flying via unmorph isn't good enough, as it is already "blocked".

During the Declare Blockers (and Declare Attackers) step, no abilities are allowed, not even unmporhing.  After Nessie is declared a blocker blocking Vamp, then Vamp is blocked.
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2007, 12:52:05 am »

Once a creature is "blocked", it stays blocked unless something makes it not a blocker anymore.  Giving your dude flying via unmorph isn't good enough, as it is already "blocked".

During the Declare Blockers (and Declare Attackers) step, no abilities are allowed, not even unmporhing.  After Nessie is declared a blocker blocking Vamp, then Vamp is blocked.

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Spells and activated abilities CAN be played during the declare attackers and declare blockers steps.  They cannot be played during the time when attackers and blockers are being declared (which is part of what happens during those 2 steps, but not all).

Also, while a creature, once blocked, remains blocked, that doesn't really tell the whole tale in this case.  All blocks must be legal when blockers are declared.  That's the only time such legality is checked.  If Creature A is blocking Creature X, and after that something changes so that it would not be legal to declare X as a blocker for A, that won't change anything, it just prevents X from being declared as a blocker for A, it won't undo any blocking assignments already made.
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2007, 07:57:34 am »

Also, please be careful with the term 'morph' as it is ambiguous and can be confusing. You used it in 3 different ways. Its less confusing to say a 'face-down creature' or to 'turn a card face up.'

If you say, "I have a morph," does that mean you have a card in hand with the morph abilit or you have a creature in play with the ability? Is the creature in play face up or face down?  If you say, "I morph my creature" are  you turning it face up or playing it face down?

Yes, in your particular post we were able to infer meaning from context, but that is not always the case.
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2007, 04:24:13 pm »

Once a creature is "blocked", it stays blocked unless something makes it not a blocker anymore.  Giving your dude flying via unmorph isn't good enough, as it is already "blocked".

During the Declare Blockers (and Declare Attackers) step, no abilities are allowed, not even unmporhing.  After Nessie is declared a blocker blocking Vamp, then Vamp is blocked.

 Sad

Spells and activated abilities CAN be played during the declare attackers and declare blockers steps.  They cannot be played during the time when attackers and blockers are being declared (which is part of what happens during those 2 steps, but not all).

Also, while a creature, once blocked, remains blocked, that doesn't really tell the whole tale in this case.  All blocks must be legal when blockers are declared.  That's the only time such legality is checked.  If Creature A is blocking Creature X, and after that something changes so that it would not be legal to declare X as a blocker for A, that won't change anything, it just prevents X from being declared as a blocker for A, it won't undo any blocking assignments already made.

So if I can try and understand this;

What I was doing was legal

Declare face-down Soul Collector as an attacker
Opponet declares Nessian as the blocker for Soul Collector
I pay  {B} {B} {B} to turn face-down Soul Collector face-up
I kill Nessian with Soul Collector and gain control of Nessian via Soul Collector's ability

Sorry for the misuse of the word 'morphed' - I swear the lingo of this game is more difficult to remember then the actual rules!'

If you could clarify for me Clariax I would appreciate it.
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2007, 10:03:53 pm »

That is legal. Once a creature is declared as blocking a creature, it doesn't matter if the block later becomes illegal.
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2007, 12:30:57 am »

Thanks.  Appreciate it.
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