[Results] Blue Bell Tournament 5-19 (pics)

[desolutionist]

Main Event
30 people, cut to top 8 after 5 rounds

1st: Mox Emerald
2nd: Alpha Tundra
3rd: 4x Goblin Welder
4th: 4x foil (DCI) Firce/Ice

Shawn Anthony (Pitch Long) 1st
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Polluted Delta
4 Underground Sea
2 Bloodstained Mire
1 Badlands
1 Lotus Petal
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Vault
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Mind's Desire
1 Time Walk
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Brainstorm
1 Necropotence
1 Mystical Tutor
4 Dark Ritual
1 Chain of Vapor
3 Cabal Ritual
1 Empty the Warrens
4 Force of Will
1 Rebuild
1 Tinker
1 Memory Jar
1 Timetwister
1 Wheel of Fortune
3 Grim Tutor
1 Infernal Contract
2 Misdirection
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2 Thrashing Wumpus
2 Duress
3 Empty the Warrens
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Island
1 Swamp

Greg Hoover (Control Slaver/Gifts) 2nd
3 Volcanic Island
2 Underground Sea
1 Snow-Covered Island
2 Island
2 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
1 Darksteel Citadel
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
2 Gifts Ungiven
4 Brainstorm
4 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Tinker
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Echoing Truth
1 Memory Jar
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Recoup
1 Yawgmoth's Will
4 Goblin Welder
1 Time Walk
1 Mindslaver
1 Sundering Titan
1 Triskelion
1 Misdirection
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2 Stifle
1 Tormod's Crypt
2 Red Elemental Blast
2 Rack and Ruin
1 Jester's Cap
2 Pyroclasm
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Memnarch

Robert Anthony (Ichorid) 3rd
4 Bazaar of Baghdad
1 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Urza's Bauble
3 Mishra's Bauble
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Serum Powder
4 Bridge from Below
4 Dread Return
4 Narcomoeba
3 Cephalid Sage
4 Ichorid
2 Flame-Kin Zealot
4 Street Wraith
4 Golgari Thug
4 Stinkweed Imp
2 Shambling Shell
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
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4 Chain of Vapor
4 Emerald Charm
4 City of Brass
3 Gemstone Mine

Rob Edwards (U/W Fish) 4th
2 Daze
1 Mystical Tutor
2 Echoing Truth
1 Misdirection
2 Stifle
2 Isamaru, Hound of Konda
3 Savannah Lions
3 Kataki, War's Wage
3 Jotun Grunt
3 Swords to Plowshares
3 Null Rod
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
4 Meddling Mage
2 Island
1 Snow-Covered Plains
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl
4 Tundra
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
4 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
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3 Tormod's Crypt
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Echoing Truth
2 Maze of Ith
3 Annul
1 Stifle
1 Trickbind
2 Sacred Ground

Chris Collins (Oath) 5th
2 Intuition
4 Brainstorm
4 Accumulated Knowledge
3 Cunning Wish
4 Oath of Druids
4 Force of Will
3 Duress
4 Mana Drain
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Tidesprout Tyrant
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Deep Analysis
1 Time Walk
1 Brain Freeze
1 Krosan Reclamation
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mana Crypt
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Sol Ring
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Library of Alexandria
2 Underground Sea
4 Forbidden Orchard
2 Island
1 Tropical Island
1 Polluted Delta
3 Flooded Strand
1 Tolarian Academy
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1 Tidesprout Tyrant
1 Echoing Truth
1 Extirpate
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Misdirection
1 Rebuild
1 Brain Freeze
1 Tormod's Crypt
3 Pithing Needle
4 Leyline of the Void

Matt McCormick (Ichorid) 6th
4 Bazaar of Baghdad
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Nether Shadow
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Serum Powder
4 Bridge from Below
3 Dread Return
4 Narcomoeba
3 Cephalid Sage
4 Ichorid
2 Flame-Kin Zealot
4 Street Wraith
4 Golgari Thug
4 Stinkweed Imp
1 Shambling Shell
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Leyline of the Void
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4 Reverent Silence
3 Dryad Arbor
3 Forest
1 Nether Shadow
4 Contagion

Allen Fulmer (Pitch Long) 7th
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Polluted Delta
3 Underground Sea
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Swamp
1 Island
1 Badlands
1 Lotus Petal
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Vault
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Mind's Desire
1 Time Walk
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Brainstorm
1 Necropotence
1 Mystical Tutor
4 Dark Ritual
1 Chain of Vapor
3 Cabal Ritual
1 Empty the Warrens
4 Force of Will
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Tinker
1 Memory Jar
1 Timetwister
1 Wheel of Fortune
3 Grim Tutor
1 Infernal Contract
2 Misdirection
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2 Thrashing Wumpus
4 Duress
2 Empty the Warrens
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Rebuild
4 Tormod's Crypt
1 Sundering Titan

Joe Davis (Ritual Gifts) 8th
4 Duress
4 Gifts Ungiven
4 Dark Ritual
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
2 Merchant Scroll
1 Recoup
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Rebuild
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Necropotence
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 Mind's Desire
1 Misdirection
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
4 Polluted Delta
1 Island
1 Snow-Covered Island
2 Flooded Strand
1 Swamp
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
1 Lotus Petal
1 Black Lotus
1 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Tolarian Academy
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
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1 Volcanic Island
2 Flametongue Kavu
2 Empty the Warrens
1 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Tinker
1 Sundering Titan
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Darksteel Colossus


Side Event

1st: Mana Drain

Josh Meckes (GAT)
4 Quirion Dryad
1 Psychatog
4 Brainstorm
4 Merchant Scroll
1 Gush
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Berserk
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Time Walk
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Regrowth
4 Force of Will
2 Misdirection
3 Daze
2 Extirpate
1 Echoing Truth
3 Duress
1 Mana Drain
1 Mana Crypt
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
3 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea
3 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
2 Island
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2 Energy Flux
1 Duress
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Ground Seal
2 Massacre
1 Tinker
1 Darksteal Colossus
3 Stifle
1 Diabolic Edict



































I didn't take the sideways ones.  Whoever did is an idiot.

Metagame:

1x AK Scroll
2x URBana
3x Stax
3x Pitch Long
1x Grim Long
2x Oath
5x Ichorid
1x Control Gifts
1x Drain Tendrils
1x Hulk Flash
1x Control Slaver
1x Bomberman
1x GAT
2x U/W Fish
1x Bob Tendrils
1x Goblins
1x Ritual Gifts
1x Sui

[sparkyfsu]

three members of 0-2 drop in top8 WOOT! and fyi s.anthony is in no relation WHAT SO EVER to r.anthony. just wnat to clear that up.

[pyr0ma5ta]

Were Ichroid (new version with Bridges) and Flash well represented?

[tehmajickguy]

This was the first judged Blue Bell event, the judging was overall good and the rulings were fair (and he, Nick, was a nice guy), but I think things were too procedurally strict for a local mox tournament.  I can understand why they are or have to be, but I think some of us had less fun because of it. 

In round two I sacrificed a Mox Emerald to Tinker, without tapping it for mana first, and didn't realize.  My opponent, Beaver, asked if I had a colorless mana floating and I replied that I did.  Later that turn when I try to use that mana from Mox Emerald, he claimed that he actually asked me if I had no mana floating.  (You can see how "Yes" works both ways there) I was pretty sure I could get a ruling on intent so I called the judge over and explained that I did tap the Emerald before sacrificing it because there would be no reason not to do it.  After more talking, my story of *actually* tapping it and *meaning* to tap it didn't match and the judge accused me of lying to an official (himself), which is ridiculous. 

So basically, you made a mistake, your opponent gives you a chance to lie about the game state, which you take advantage of. Then you try to convince the judge that you didn't misrepresent the game state and get caught in the act of lying. And the fact that you tried to pull something really shady and got caught is "ridiculous".

How you thought that this was an appropriate comment that would not instigate a flamewar is beyond me.  Accusing someone of cheating without even being involved in the situation is grossly inappropriate.  Because you have a long history of warning-free posts, I'm going to give you a break and only issue a verbal warning for violating Rule 2, Inflammatory Posting.  Please don't make these kinds of incendiary remarks in the future, particularly in threads that have a tendency to go bad.   -DA

[Midknight]

I myself had alittle problem with the judge.  I went and dredge and the 6 cards I dredge, I re-range the order of them, and my opt though that wasnt legel and the judge said that didnt work, I ask around the room and others said I could, then he acted like I was trying to change to order of my whole graveyard, which I dont see how he got that out of the question we were asking. If others in the room would not have agree with me, there would have been nothing I could have done about it, since I couldnt get an option from another judge.

I thought there were only 28 people in the tourament and your saying 30? Was there really that many people?

[ashiXIII]

I thought it was 29 people? I could be off by one. It definitely wasn't 28.

I'm uploading the pictures now, Shawn.

BTW, I should've won.

[Cunningbeaver]

In round two I sacrificed a Mox Emerald to Tinker, without tapping it for mana first, and didn't realize.  My opponent, Beaver, asked if I had a colorless mana floating and I replied that I did.  Later that turn when I try to use that mana from Mox Emerald, he claimed that he actually asked me if I had no mana floating.  (You can see how "Yes" works both ways there) I was pretty sure I could get a ruling on intent so I called the judge over and explained that I did tap the Emerald before sacrificing it because there would be no reason not to do it.  After more talking, my story of *actually* tapping it and *meaning* to tap it didn't match and the judge accused me of lying to an official (himself), which is ridiculous. 

Well I clearly remember asking you "So you have no mana floating?" as I didn't see you tap the mox. To which you replied "yea". Which as you said that answer could have been used either way, in any event you did not ever say tap the mox for green,tap the mox to float, whatever you want to say and Joe and I both agreed (since he had been sitting beside me) that the proper play would have been to sac the mana crypt anyway. Leaving your mox in play and giving you 1 more additional mana to use after will.
 
The only problem I really had was is even though it is a laid back enviroment which is what always makes it fun. If you don't get yourself into the habit of doing things the proper way I.E announcing or declaring things properly how pissed are you gonna be when you go somewhere else and it DOES cost you a game which could then cost you a match?

Our games were fun and pretty much went the way the matchup goes and I said as much to you.

[Evenpence]

Points on the judging:

1)  Overly strict.  Seconded.
2)  Not familiar with vintage cards.
3)  Not familiar with rulings concerning vintage cards.  (Dredging, Mana Drain, etc).
4)  Contradictory statements.  (At one point, I heard the judge say that he could not give out warnings because it was just a local tournament.)  Well, if that's the case, why should we pay attention to anything you say?
5)  Overall, and I think everyone will say this, even based upon the top four points, the judging was good.

Nick had a tough job of not knowing Vintage cards and this being an entirely new type of tournament for him to run (where the playerbase is also very different) and imo, he did a fine job of running the tournament under all the circumstances.

There were mistakes made concerning a few things, but they were corrected immediately by other judges that weren't currently playing (kudos to you, you know who you were) and there were no bogus calls that went unchecked.

[desolutionist]

Well I clearly remember asking you "So you have no mana floating?" as I didn't see you tap the mox. To which you replied "yea". Which as you said that answer could have been used either way, in any event you did not ever say tap the mox for green,tap the mox to float,

I'm sure you asked me that, but I just misunderstood.  It isn't a big deal and I removed those comments from the thread to preempt any flame wars. (I shouldn't have said anything )

whatever you want to say and Joe and I both agreed (since he had been sitting beside me) that the proper play would have been to sac the mana crypt anyway. Leaving your mox in play and giving you 1 more additional mana to use after will.

Tinker was the first business/relevant spell I played that turn and if you countered it, since I didn't have Force backup, I wanted to keep the Mana Crypt for next turn so I have access to more mana. 

The only problem I really had was is even though it is a laid back enviroment which is what always makes it fun. If you don't get yourself into the habit of doing things the proper way I.E announcing or declaring things properly how pissed are you gonna be when you go somewhere else and it DOES cost you a game which could then cost you a match?

Yeah, I agree. 

[Khahan]

It was 30. There were originally 29. 1 player showed up late and was allowed to enter by taking a round 1 loss.  You may not have gotten his decklist because of this.

[serberoth]

1)  Overly strict.  Seconded.
2)  Not familiar with vintage cards.
3)  Not familiar with rulings concerning vintage cards.  (Dredging, Mana Drain, etc).
4)  Contradictory statements.  (At one point, I heard the judge say that he could not give out warnings because it was just a local tournament.)  Well, if that's the case, why should we pay attention to anything you say?

While I will not apologize for being 'overly strict', which I do not believe I was; perhaps it was a presentation issue.  My style of judging is quite different from others you may know and that is fine; it just takes some time to get used to.  I know the vintage cards and interactions quite well, actually.  Believe it or not I often play vintage and legacy formats when I have the chance.  As you may note, while I do not frequently post comments, I do read the forums quite a bit.  This is neither the first nor the last time I will judge a vintage tournament.  Granted I do and have made mistakes, but that is a part of being human.  As for contradictory statements, I do believe you are misinterpreting the meaning of what I said.  You should listen to what any judge has to say, because that is important for them to perform their appointed task.  They are there as neutral arbiters of the event, to maintain its integrity and uphold the funness factor, etc.  I do really take the job seriously, while it is something that I do for fun.  Oh, and as a side note, I really did just misinterpret the question about the dredge cards and the yard.  From the original information I got, the cards were already in the yard, if you really want to asses blame it would go to you (plural) as the players for not clearly explicating the situation.  It was just an honest mistake though; they do happen even to judges, he, he.  Hope this does not seem like a rant,  he, he.  I did have lots of fun and hope to see you all at the next event, thanks for coming out!

Hello, and welcome to TMD.  We're glad you make yourself available to judge Vintage events, and we appreciate you handling yourself with maturity in this thread when a number of other regular posters have trouble doing the same.  That said, it was difficult to read and understand your laudably calm and level-headed response on the first try.  I've highlighted some of the problems in red bold, and had to delete some confusing unnecessary punctuation in other places.  Please try to ensure your posts are easy to read and understand going forward, in accordance with the site rules.  -DA

[MISTERTREK]

I'd like to thank everyone for attending  , especially since we had to relocate this event due to our normal location at MCCC being booked for the month  A big thanks also to Infinite Quests for hosting. We'll be back at the college in June! I was very pleased to see how many new players attended, thank you again to all our new fans! I know that many of our regular players were in Columbus playing Legacy, but we still had a nice crowd of 30 players for the main event and 10 in the side event.

From an outsider looking in, It seems that the new Future Sight cards made an impact on the format, but were at least not dominant. Our top two players were running established decks. I guess time will tell what the future holds for T1 (I know, bad pun).

I think that Nick is a welcome addition to our events, and that it will just be a growing period as our players adjust to his judging style and visa-versa. All will meet a happy medium. The judge by comittee worked for awhile, but as we have grown, I was getting enough requests for a full timer that it had to happen. The players were use to a more relaxed playing atmosphere, but I feel that they will get use to a bit more structure. When we are awarding $500+ in prizes, it will benefit everyone to have a neutral party making the judging calls.

Once again, thank you to all, congrats to all our prize winners, and I hope to see you all in June. Watch for our official post!

Mike

CCGames

[LotusHead]

I didn't take the sideways ones.  Whoever did is an idiot.

Pics are pics, and we appreciate them.

I just pretend that the sideways pics are from games played with magnetic cardsleeves, and the players are playing on the wall.

[Midknight]

From the original information I got the cards were already in the yard, if you really want asses blame it would got you (plural) as the players for not clearly explicating the situation.

That was quoted ealier.

 I want to say dont go FLAMING ME, when we call you over, my opt ask you about it first you said no. I went to explain it and you said no right away, without clearly listening. Then I ask around the room, you heard them say it work. Then you change your story. My opt said, thats what we just ask you. In those exact words.  SO DONT BE FLAMING ON ME CAUSE THATS BS.

Verbal Warning for your continued habitual violations of Rule 1, Deficient Writing Skills and this present borderline comment.  This is not your first moderation sanction.  Please improve the quality of your posts going forward.  If you have a question about whether a given post violates the rules, ask a moderator.  Also, fixed quote tags to clarify the post.  -DA

[MISTERTREK]

Mike, chill bro. I don't think Nick was flaming anyone. His post looked like he was just explaining how he felt the situation came down. Of course, as in most retold events, the actual truth usually lies somewhere between both sides of a story as events are told on "first party" perception. Honestly, if someone would have asked me (a Magic dummy for sure), I would have said that Dredged cards cannot be put into the yard in any order, but in the order they are revealed. And since some decks like having certain cards in certain orders (ie, Nether Shadow) it would seem to me like that's stacking. I think we all should understand that the events will be better with a full time judge, that mistakes will be made on both parties part, but that if one is, that it can be resolved in an adult and fair manner. Lets call this subject resolved and get to discussing the tourney so our friends here at MD don't lock our thread.

[Godder]

Keep it civil.

[MarkPharaoh]

Why does every Blue Bell tournament result thread go to complete shit?  How about next tourney everyone goes outside and settle their differences instead of all this whiney bickering on a forum?  Act like men for once.

Full Warning for violation of Rule 2, Inflammatory Posting (flames) and Rule 4, Lack of Content (spam).  There's a Report Post feature for these concerns of yours. -DA

[Demonic Attorney]

I have lost all patience with these Blue Bell reports.  I can't remember a single one in the past few months that hasn't led to some type of problem.  If you can't handle a civil discussion about the outcome of a Magic tournament, don't post in these threads.  If you can't restrain yourself from making incendiary posts, you'll lose the ability to post in the tournament forums period.  You know who you are.  Thread closed.  -DA   

[Zherbus]

Better yet, next person who flames in a Blue Bell thread just gets banned. Consider this a final warning.