Uses for Infinite Mana...

[LotusHead]

I'm thinking about making an Infinte Mana deck that doesn't use the graveyard (like Salvagers/Lotus does), and I kinda want to get a list of possible uses for infinite mana (ok, Power Artifact/Basalt Monolith/Grim Monolith and/or Mizzium Transrelequiant/Time Vault kinda colorless mana/advantage.

Out here, people hate out graveyards maindeck.  Like Leyline Maindeck. ouch!

I'm just looking for cards, plus explanation if they aren't obvious.

To start:
Brainguyser/Stroke of Genius
Fireball/Disintegrate and Company
SliverQueen/Ambassador Laquatus and other Dragon kills not needing infinite red mana
Magma Mine (the 1 cc artifact that stores up pwn counters at 4 each to do 1 damage per...) (see why I need help?)
Staff of Domination (!!!)

What else is possible, Viable or not?
I had an opponent conceed after going infintie, without actual kill in my deck (I took 2 minutes building it.) and that's when I noticed my Achilles Heel.  Sure, having 1 Fatty maindeck will suffice (DSC, Platz, Titan, etc), but.. What else is there?

My list is UR, but URB or UR/x or U/x is acceptable..

Bring it! Nothing is too stupid if it has a use for colorless mana!
EDIT: marit Lage Land. See? nothing too stupid!

[zulander]

Kaervek's Torch, Demonfire and Goblin Canon.

[andrewpate]

Whetstone + Gaea's Blessing
Snake Basket
Myr Matrix
Carrion Ants/Deathknell Kami/Dragon Engine/Lava Zombie/etc.
Masticore + Stuffy Doll
Gemstone Array + kill requiring colored mana (like Kumano or whatever)
Chimeric Coils
March of the Machines + Voltaic Construct + Telim'Tor's Darts/Magistrate's Scepter/etc.
Quicksilver Elemental + Snow Fortress + Orcish Captain + Unnatural Selection
Ticking Gnomes + Endbringer's Revel
Order of the Ebon Hand + Corpse Dance + Goblin Bombardment

[LotusHead]

These all suck, but that doesn't mean they are unwelcome or unappreciated.

Masticore and Stuffy Doll get a nod at the moment for being On Color (none), but not feasable to me as of yet.

Keep it coming, for those of you with time to explore this endeavor!!!

[zeus-online]

Cunning wish/Burning wish with a wishboard?
That way you don't have any completely useless cards in the MD.

/Zeus

[rmn]

Izzet Guildmage + any draw or burn.  You're running draw already, right?

[TopSecret]

My favorite kind of thread. 

Dragon Engine
Mana Cylix + Memnarch + Voltaic Key + Animate Artifact + Voltaic Construct
Jinxed Choker
Tarpan + Enrage (Tarpan may be substituted with Mountain Goat)
Voltaic Construct + Any Tap Effect (Hair-Strung Koto)
Wine of Blood and Iron + Berserk Murlodont
Kusari-Gama + Tarpan
Tatsumasa, the Dragon's Fang + Blasting Station
Orochi Hatchery
2x Sensei's Top + a Storm Card (Grapeshot or Tendrils)
Goblin Cannon or Rocket Launcher
Clockwork Dragon
Doubling Cube + Tarpan
Juju Bubble
Mirror Gallery + four Mindslavers
Thrumming Stone + multiple Sensei's Divining Tops

[LotusHead]

My favorite kind of thread. 

Crap
Jinxed Choker
Crap

Sick! I have a foil one still!!!

[Kataki_Rulez]

I have a friend with a Legacy Elf Deck (don't laugh). It was an amusing deck, blurring the lines between casual and competitive, but it was the idea I thought that counted: Get infinite mana with Staff of Domination, then draw your entire deck, and play a 100000000000000 copies of Pyromatics! It was a funny deck, if you like, then use it. It might be good, might be bull.
Cheers, and best of luck,
-Kataki!!!

[lordarcanis]

Staff of Domination

Is there anything it can't do with infinite mana?  I like it because it is disruption, life gain, and a win condition all in one.  Personally, I wouldn't make this deck without this card and some Tops.  Be sure to post the deck when you finish.  Sounds fun!!

[LotusHead]

Ok, here's the list I have, and it sucks, but I could use some help making this work.  Staff of Domination seems to be the best use of infinite mana, but every deck needs a plan B. Or C..  Again, the point is to build a combo deck that doesn't use the grave, and hopefully lets me play with my Power Artifacts and/or MetalWorkers.  It's hard building a deck in a vaccuum, so here it goes...

// Lands
    4  Polluted Delta
    5  Island
    4  Volcanic Island

// Creatures
    3  Goblin Welder                Should I fire this loser? He loves the graveyard, but I dunno.  Maybe mono blue or U/b for tutors?
    1  Platinum Angel
    1  Sundering Titan
    4  Metalworker

// Spells
    2  Basalt Monolith          Power Artifact works with this guy, as far as I know.
    4  Brainstorm
    1 Tinker
    1  Black Lotus
    1  Sol Ring
    2  Mizzium Transreliquat    Pairs up with Time Vault for infinite turns.
    2  Power Artifact            Comboes with the Monoliths, plus it isn't too shabby on Staff of Domination
    1  Grim Monolith
    4  Force of Will
    2  Time Vault
    3  Thirst for Knowledge
    1  Fact or Fiction
    1 Ancestral Recall
    1  Time Walk
    1  Mox Jet
    4  Mana Drain
    1  Mox Ruby
    1 [ Mox Sapphire
    2  Staff of Domination          A winner!
    1  Mystical Tutor
    1  Burning Wish
    1  Cunning Wish

// Sideboard                       It's what I threw together.
SB: 1  Brain Freeze
SB: 1  Kaervek's Torch
SB: 1  Stroke of Genius
SB: 4  Leyline of Singularity
SB: 4  Pyroblast
SB: 4  Red Elemental Blast


Cloud Key from Future Sight seems promising on the Sensei's Divining Top route.
For 3, I get an artifact that lets me pick which kind of spells are cheaper for me.  Say, Artifact or Instants.
If I pick artifact, then I can go infinite with 2 Tops (er, infinite storm).

Ideas that have been tried by others:
Workshops.  It kinda hurts the proxy limit for me. Ancient Tomb would be an easier sell.  I'm trying to avoid MUD Domination at the moment.
Lightning Greaves. Protects MetalWorkers, Platz (Live the dream!) and gives haste.

Obvious Flaws in the deck:
No bounce/answer to Null Rod.
No Tolarian Academy (I made list too quick. assume -1 land, +1 TOlarian Academy)
Memory Jar/Time Twister.  I actuallly wouldn't mind using either/both.

Ideas as to how to incorperate the Cloud Key, Top route?
Fire the Monoliths?
Put in the rest of the Moxen?
Keep the wishes?
Fire the wishes?

All of the 2ofs in the deck are to see what helps where.

Any suggestions or criticism is welcome.

[netherspirit]

Kumano, Master Yamabushi? (no that wasn't serious )

As for the deck itself... How about Wheel of Fortune? It gives you more cards and Welder fodder.

[+t]

[Mr. Anderson]

Before Legacy was established, I ran a deck designed to win off infinite mana, but it still could win with out it.

Mishra's Workshop, Metal Worker, Voltaic Contruct, Staff of Domination, Goblin Cannon, & Myr Incubator were the main win conditions and it ran Goblin Welder, Karn Silver Golem, as well as other anti control elements and alternate infinite mana pieces.  It was a turn 2/3 win, and I actually won turn 1 once when an elf deck drop cordent crossroads, lol.

A friend of mine made a type one version and it proved to be strong.  Metal Worker & Voltaic Construct are immune to Duress, and the addition of Tinker and Power was amazing.

[Kataki_Rulez]

Infinite bond of agony!!!

[hvndr3d y34r h3x]

within the last year, I've had an overwhelming desire to cast an infinite fireball in t1 tournament play, don't ask me why the hilarity factor is just to great for me to not mess around with the idea from time to time. but things I've checked out. basalt monolith is errated to read "this mana can not be used on basalt monolith".

also i believe that after flamevault they errated time vault so that you need to remover a time counter, which you get at the cost of -1 turn and untap to tap it. so I'm not sure if that combo's either.

sorry to burst your bubble on that one, but I'll replay back if a list seems remotely viable in current meta and isn't to similar to the one up already. I usually used CS as a frame with he old school power arfifact/grim monolith combo.... there's always the much less efficient wirewood channeler pemmin's aura/ freed from the reel if your seeming zany, mistform stalker could be considered with that 2nd elf required and a funnel into a googleplex googleplex flyer.

but don't forget the uncounterable decree of justice cycle in your list of possible uses.

live the dream!


edit: I think they un-errated basalt monolith!

[LotusHead]

edit: I think they un-errated basalt monolith!

You got the memo!

Staff of Domination seems to be the best use of infinite mana so far...

[Purple Hat]

[FiestaVaca]

Masticore + Stuffy Doll imo:)

[LotusHead]

This card used Infinite Mana AND an attack step, not as good as Staff. Thanks for playing Purple Hat!

[Purple Hat]

This card used Infinite Mana AND an attack step, not as good as Staff. Thanks for playing Purple Hat!

staff doesn't actually win the game though.  you need a wincondition in addition to staff, and for that clockwork dragon is pretty good cus he's still fine on his own as a huge flyer.

[hvndr3d y34r h3x]

even with infinite mana, I'd much rather play a platinum angel pulling double duty on the offense and defense then clockwork dragon mana sink any day

[RitNecroWin]

----This is my first post. I should make clear, I am friends with Paul Mastriano and Steve Menendian. I play test with Paul quite often. I have not competed in a vintage tournament for many years, but I do continue to keep up with the environment -----

It's funny that I found this post. Many years back, before Tendrils had become the vogue kill in combo, I played a deck very similiar to this. I LOVED this deck and played it competititvly in a field bogged down with Keeper, Zoo, Trix and the like. Keep in mind that it has been a good number of years since I've played this deck, so my deck list is a bit foggy. Also, this was played in a completely different field, so the power level is effected severly by today's standards.
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Vampiric Tutor
4x Force of Will
2x Power Artifact
2x Candelabre of Tawnos
1 x Mind over Matter
1x Capsize
1x Stroke of Genius
Power NINE
1x Wheel of Fortune
1x Crop Rotation
1x Windfall
1x Mana Crypt
1x Sol Ring
1x Grim Monolith
1x Tinker
1x Tolarian Academy
1x LOA
1x Kaervaks Torch
1x Gorrilla Shaman
1x Lotus Petal
1x Fastbond
1x Memory Jar
1x Yawg Will
1x Necro
4x Ritual
1x Time Spiral

The land base was rough... can't remeber much.. I had Fetches, I think 2 Tundra and 2 Underground Sea and like an Island or two and 4 City of Brass....

The deck was really good actually (in it's day, of course would need MASSIVE tweaking now) You used every way possible to cycle through as many hands as possible.You could make infi mana and kill with Torch, which was superior to most other ways.. couldn't be forced,mis'd, dazed... made mana drain and counter spell pretty weak as well. Academy was the NUTZ it could make so much mana w/ candleabre and then you had capsize to make infi mana and bounce opponents perms. Mind over Matter made mana w/ Academy as well as allowing you draw infi cards with LOA and build the perfect hand.
I remeber way back when, Steve Menendian was playing Brown Paper Bag, a mono blue control deck. He pretty much laughed at my deck, untill I rolled him 2 games in a row. Then we layed the deck out and made changes. He noticed that Tendrills would be crazy and we played off that angle. Steve most def. saw the future on that night. This was long before Mike Long said I should play my Yawgmoths Will on S/B and play 4 Burning Wish.

[Mr. Anderson]

Well, I made a Vintage list with the Staff Combo, you can find the deck list here...

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=34001.0


Some of the best uses for Infinite Mana are Staff of Domination, Goblin Cannon, Jinxed Choker, & Magma Mine.

[RitNecroWin]

I would have to say, in today's environment, the best use for infi mana is Staff of Domination.....it is pretty amazing. If I were playing my old deck, I would go that route, as I could cut the LOA Mind Over Matter combo and really start to stream line the deck. Gorrilla Shaman is really great in a deck with infi mana. He can cause enough early disruption to help you "get there"... Then with infi mana you can blow up the world.

[asi]

You could just throw in Stuffy Doll as a one-of. If you have mana+Staff of Domination, you can give yourself endless life, find the doll, and kill with it one turn later, without the need to play masticore. It can sometimes be okay against certain aggro decks, but obviously is a rather bad topdeck.

[Beatdown]

Nothing says style more than blowing your opponents head off with a
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[Kataki_Rulez]

Infinite PYROMATICS, derr.... I mean, it's uncounterable (replicate) and will win you the game. Why didn't anyone say this before?

[LotusHead]

Infinite COLORED mana is awesome, but Colorless mana is a different story.