Slivers and poison counters

[Polynomial P]

Lets say that my opponent attacks with two Virulent Slivers.

Virulent Sliver
G (1), Creature - Sliver 1/1
All Sliver creatures have poisonous 1.

I block one of them (so that it will die during comboat) and the other one gets through. Do I get 1 or 2 poison counters?

[The Chosen One]

they have to deal combat damage to you in order to give you a poison counter correct? I would think you would only get one, unless the ability is cumulative(of that I am unsure)

[ReAnimator]

poison and flanking on slivers are cumulative just like the +1/+1's from muscles. So yeah if you attack with 4 virulent slivers and a heart sliver off a hulk then your opp is going to die off the 20 poison counters he just got.

[Polynomial P]

Right, they are cumulative. So if i block one and it dies during combat how many poison counters do I get from the other one? This is relevant for the hulk flash/sliver kill when your opponent has 2 blockers. If they block two of the virulent slivers with 1/1 creatures they will either get 6 poison counters or 12 poison counters.

[Roxas]

I'm pretty sure you would get two poison counters. Both Virulent Slivers are still in play when the damage is dealt, so both "when ~this~ deals combat damage to a player, that player gets a poison counter" triggers go off before the blocked Virulent Sliver gets put in the graveyard as a result of lethal damage.

[Polynomial P]

Thanks Roxas. That makes sense.

[LotusHead]

Right, they are cumulative. So if i block one and it dies during combat how many poison counters do I get from the other one? This is relevant for the hulk flash/sliver kill when your opponent has 2 blockers. If they block two of the virulent slivers with 1/1 creatures they will either get 6 poison counters or 12 poison counters.

If you block said slivers with say, Akroma (first strike), and a Mishra's Factory (no first strike) then one of the Slivers will be in the grave before the other slivers get a piece of the action., another will be chumped by a factory, so 3 slivers get through: each with poison 3. (9 poison counters total, whew!)

[Clariax]

Here's what happens:

When combat damage resolves, you take 1 from the unblocked Virulent Sliver.  The blocked Virulent Sliver takes at least 1 damage.  The 2 seperate "Poisonous 1" abiltiies on the unblocked sliver trigger, but they don't go on the stack yet.  Now state-based effects get checked, and the sliver with lethal damage is put in the graveyard.  Then both "Poisonous 1" triggers go on the stack, and assuming they both resolve, you get 2 poison counters.


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[Playboy514]

Card name: Snake cult Initiation

Card type: Enchantment

Casting cost: 3

Card text: Enchant creature
Enchanted creature has poisonous 3. (Whenever it deals combat damage to a player, that player gets three poison counters. A player with ten or more poison counters loses the game.)
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Now what happends of you have two Virulent Slivers in play one attached with Snake Cult Initiation

You attack and both get through unblocked, does my opponet get 7 Counters?

2 from Sliver one, 2 from sliver two, and 3 from Snake Cult Initiation.

[Mr. Nightmare]

You have 2 Virulent Slivers.

Virulent Sliver #1 - 1/1
Poisonous 1
Poisonous 1

Virulent Sliver #2 - 1/1
Poisonous 1
Poisonous 1
Poisonous 3

When the damge from combat resolves, you have 5 separate "poison triggers" on the stack.  Once these all resolve successfully, the result is two damage and seven poison counters.