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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2007, 08:34:56 am » |
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I caught an early showing last night. I loved it....go see it, seriously.
This is one of those movies that needs to be seen in a theater.
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2007, 08:49:48 am » |
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I've already seen it four times since I am a projectionist at a big name theater company. Seriously, check it out. I thought it might be over hyped, but it was pretty good.
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2007, 09:54:02 pm » |
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I just got back from seeing it.
I have to say, I went in with essentially no expectations. I thought that Michael Bay was going to bicycle kick me in the balls and that I was going to pay 8 dollars for it because... well, because it's fucking TRANSFORMERS. Actually, I was pleasantly surprised. It was quite entertaining. A few nitpicks (Why name the tank Devastator? Who cares about seeing someone named Devastator except for people who are going to be pissed off if they see him but don't get to see some Constructicons?), but on the whole pretty solid.
It's really two movies. They get the popcorn-eaters to settle down and say, "Okay, I've seen this movie before, I'll watch this," with what essentially amounts to a monster movie: you have the skittery one that shoots projectiles and runs up the walls so they can't hit it, you have the smashy one that comes through walls while you duck through doorways running away, you have the superfluous love story going on, etc. Then, when the Autobots show up, it all of the sudden turns into Transformers, where they start having dialog from the Transformers and you get some one-liners from the cartoon, etc. On the whole, I think that this was a good way to go about it, even if some of the fanservice (Devastator? Really?) was a little misguided.
I give it a "Recommended."
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2007, 10:43:34 pm » |
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Yeah I was hoping for some constructicons to show up but sadly no. My friend and I were confused as hell when Starscream disappeared but at least the credits showed where he went off to.
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2007, 11:03:41 pm » |
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I thought it was incredible. There were a few oddities (the whole Devastator business), and that girl couldn't act for her life, but overall I thought it was amazing.
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2007, 10:10:36 am » |
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It was solid,8/10 i would say.They could have used less stuff at "blow up-scenes" or show it more slow motion but that's my opinion.
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2007, 10:38:54 am » |
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The main problem I had with it were the poor action scenes in the city. The action was great but they used a shaky moving camera so you could only see flashes and didn't really get to see fights.
Also, Optimus Prime cheated at the end and got outside help.
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2007, 01:12:08 pm » |
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I was kinda amazed when Prime said "If I am able to defeat Megatron." I mean Prime killed the whole Decepticon Army in like 10 seconds in the cartoon movie, the guy is a monster, he shouldn't be afraid of Megatron at all.
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2007, 03:30:47 pm » |
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Prime and Megatron are on a different paradigm from the other Transformers. Note that minutes after the scene you referenced, Optimus has a knock-down, drag-out with Megatron--one in which most would say he appeared superior, but by no means a "sure thing." Throughout the cartoon, those two always win if they fight anyone but each other.
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2007, 03:57:59 pm » |
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Prime and Megatron are on a different paradigm from the other Transformers. Note that minutes after the scene you referenced, Optimus has a knock-down, drag-out with Megatron--one in which most would say he appeared superior, but by no means a "sure thing." Throughout the cartoon, those two always win if they fight anyone but each other.
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2007, 08:36:30 pm » |
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In one of the first episodes after the Dinobots were first created, they cleaned out the whole Decepticon army, Megatron included (Grimlock grabbed him in his mouth and threw him around like a rag doll). The only time the Dinobots ever had trouble with the Decepticons was when Devastator was running rampant, but Omega Supreme or a shot from Optimus Prime's laser is the ticket then. Indeed, if there's anything we've learnt from the Transformers, it's that the Autobots are better, robot-for-robot, than the Decepticons when it comes time to fight.
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2007, 12:07:25 pm » |
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My friends and I actually found a lot to dislike about it. I left the theater perlexed, not sure whether I thought it was really good or really bad.
On the one hand, I remember thinking to myself that they were doing a good job making me as a viewer buy into why the Transformers had come to Earth and how we might react. On the other, I was pulled out of the movie's story multiple times, particularly whenever I felt like it was pandering directly to nine-year-olds (e.g., "stop lubricating that man", Autobots hiding around the sides of the house, forced inclusion of "more than meets the eye") and also when I felt like I was actually watching a commercial (e.g., Bumblebee's Camaro version switch, the soldier sliding under the Decepticon for the kill shot...the military had to be paying for advertising in this). Also, the computer mumbo-jumbo dialogue: we've all grown to expect it, but couldn't they just be vague and do hand-waving instead of saying nonsensical things?
Also, personal pet peeve: the overuse of slow-motion. I blame Peter Jackson for popularizing this. Just because things are moving slower doesn't make your movie better. The screenplay should be able to build our interest in the characters, rather than prolonged shots of determined expressions. To me, the makers of Transformers employed slow motion and lengthy CGI as substitutes for the natural tension that should come from these characters when executed well. For instance, Megatron does nothing but go on a brief rampage, and I was sitting there asking myself why I was supposed to fear him. Because he killed one Autobot? So? This is the "Darth Maul Problem" of not doing enough in the movie to act as a credible source of fear and villainy.
Overall, I was entertained by the elaborate CGI, but I felt like it missed so many beats as a movie that I was disappointed.
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2007, 12:51:08 pm » |
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Also, personal pet peeve: the overuse of slow-motion. I blame Peter Jackson for popularizing this. Really? Not the Wachoswski brothers? |
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2007, 02:56:44 pm » |
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My friends and I actually found a lot to dislike about it. I left the theater perlexed, not sure whether I thought it was really good or really bad.
On the one hand, I remember thinking to myself that they were doing a good job making me as a viewer buy into why the Transformers had come to Earth and how we might react. On the other, I was pulled out of the movie's story multiple times, particularly whenever I felt like it was pandering directly to nine-year-olds (e.g., "stop lubricating that man", Autobots hiding around the sides of the house, forced inclusion of "more than meets the eye") and also when I felt like I was actually watching a commercial (e.g., Bumblebee's Camaro version switch, the soldier sliding under the Decepticon for the kill shot...the military had to be paying for advertising in this). Also, the computer mumbo-jumbo dialogue: we've all grown to expect it, but couldn't they just be vague and do hand-waving instead of saying nonsensical things?
Also, personal pet peeve: the overuse of slow-motion. I blame Peter Jackson for popularizing this. Just because things are moving slower doesn't make your movie better. The screenplay should be able to build our interest in the characters, rather than prolonged shots of determined expressions. To me, the makers of Transformers employed slow motion and lengthy CGI as substitutes for the natural tension that should come from these characters when executed well. For instance, Megatron does nothing but go on a brief rampage, and I was sitting there asking myself why I was supposed to fear him. Because he killed one Autobot? So? This is the "Darth Maul Problem" of not doing enough in the movie to act as a credible source of fear and villainy.
Overall, I was entertained by the elaborate CGI, but I felt like it missed so many beats as a movie that I was disappointed.
Hrm. I can't say I disagree with most of your conclusions, especially that it felt like the movie was oft directed at young people. What were you expecting though? This was a cartoon, and still is a cartoon, and the audience this catered to was not only of an older demographic. You should've known going in that since this was PG-13, that it wasn't going to be a very mature film. I was totally expecting moments of vapid, puerile dialogue, and it really didn't have an effect on me. I actually enjoyed it, since all the teeny boppers in the theater were loving it, and I knew that if I was their age, I would've been just as appreciative. This was a kids movie, let it be, you big dinosaur bully.  Oh, and I thought the slow motion was pretty awesome, since in real time, it was more difficult to understand what was happening in the battle sequences. I think slow motion is fine, provided it is used sparingly. |
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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2007, 05:21:50 pm » |
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The Wachowski Brothers used slow-mo in a specific way ("bullet time") specifically for action sequences where, as Rich mentions, it helps make clear what's happening, in addition to being cool. Some movies, like Equilibrium, have emulated that style specifically, but the annoying uses in Transformers that I recall were when they moved in slow-motion to do things like a close-up of someone's face. That's the kind I blame on Peter Jackson.  I didn't take notes, though, it's possible it only happened once or twice and I'm imagining the egregious overuse. Hrm. I can't say I disagree with most of your conclusions, especially that it felt like the movie was oft directed at young people. What were you expecting though? This was a cartoon, and still is a cartoon, and the audience this catered to was not only of an older demographic. You should've known going in that since this was PG-13, that it wasn't going to be a very mature film. I was totally expecting moments of vapid, puerile dialogue, and it really didn't have an effect on me. Well, the Star Wars prequels were PG and PG-13, but I was still disappointed about Jar-Jar Binks and their other kiddie-appeal factors. However, I am willing to accept that not all movies are made specifically to match my full checklist of preferences. But I do so grudgingly and with some bullying! |
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However, I am willing to accept that not all movies are made specifically to match my full checklist of preferences. But I do so grudgingly and with some bullying!
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2007, 12:21:24 am » |
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After reading everyone's jeers and/or cheers and despite some of the spoilers I decided to see it. Thank you to those who applauded the movie. I had a few expectations going in, since, like many, I grew up watching the cartoon. I'd have to agree that the slow-motion was overused at times, that the camera during some of the action sequences was too shaky, and that Megan Fox, although very beautiful, cannot act. Although I suppose our generation has been spoiled with so many outstanding films, new movies can never really be on par with our expectations. All in all I would say it was a very good movie and would recommend it as well. It was definitely worth my $9.25.
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« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2007, 11:40:40 am » |
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Megan Fox, although very beautiful, cannot act. Are you the kind of person who watched the Britney Spears movie for plot? |
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« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2007, 01:00:48 pm » |
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Megan Fox, although very beautiful, cannot act. Are you the kind of person who watched the Britney Spears movie for plot? Yeah, yeah ... yay for hot chicks and all that jazz. She was especially terrible though. |
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Megan Fox, although very beautiful, cannot act. Are you the kind of person who watched the Britney Spears movie for plot? Yeah, yeah ... yay for hot chicks and all that jazz. She was especially terrible though. And some of the acting was so poor you'd think they were robots. *rim shot* |
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« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2007, 02:00:36 pm » |
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It's simple, people. This was a 4th of July blockbuster. It's got lots of sexy stuff to watch, shit blowing up, and fucking giant robots. Who gives a crap if the plot was disjointed? It was fun as hell, and I'm going to see it again.
After Harry Potter, of course.
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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2007, 05:57:46 pm » |
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OMG there's a Britney Spears movie?!? j/k
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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2007, 11:45:41 am » |
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I find it difficult to separate the movie fan aspect of my mind from the Harry Potter fan aspect. I'm pretty sure if I was not such a big fan of the HP franchise, I would not have liked the movie as much as I did. It almost felt like a 2 hour montage, and I think the only reason I could deal with it is because I'm already so familiar with the story. There was a lot to like, and a lot to find fault in, both from a film perspective, and a fan perspective. Still, it's the third release in three weeks that I've thoroughly enjoyed, and I reccommend seeing it.
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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2007, 01:46:13 pm » |
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I just got back from seeing it.
I have to say, I went in with essentially no expectations. I thought that Michael Bay was going to bicycle kick me in the balls and that I was going to pay 8 dollars for it because... well, because it's fucking TRANSFORMERS.
Which is why I will never see this movie. I admit, I played with Optimum Prime when I was 4. When I was 4. I have no intention of seeing anything Transformers related at 27. |
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« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2007, 02:00:03 pm » |
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I just got back from seeing it.
I have to say, I went in with essentially no expectations. I thought that Michael Bay was going to bicycle kick me in the balls and that I was going to pay 8 dollars for it because... well, because it's fucking TRANSFORMERS.
Which is why I will never see this movie. I admit, I played with Optimum Prime when I was 4. When I was 4. I have no intention of seeing anything Transformers related at 27. Have fun being crotchety, old man. Just because you're older now, doesn't mean you can't enjoy a movie based on something you found fun when you were a kid. Hell, at least NetFlix it or something. It's worth at least that for the visual appeal alone. |
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« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2007, 02:37:47 pm » |
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I just got back from seeing it.
I have to say, I went in with essentially no expectations. I thought that Michael Bay was going to bicycle kick me in the balls and that I was going to pay 8 dollars for it because... well, because it's fucking TRANSFORMERS.
Which is why I will never see this movie. I admit, I played with Optimum Prime when I was 4. When I was 4. I have no intention of seeing anything Transformers related at 27. Have fun being crotchety, old man. Back in MY day [fill in blank]. |
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« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2007, 05:01:58 pm » |
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I just got back from seeing it.
I have to say, I went in with essentially no expectations. I thought that Michael Bay was going to bicycle kick me in the balls and that I was going to pay 8 dollars for it because... well, because it's fucking TRANSFORMERS.
Which is why I will never see this movie. I admit, I played with Optimum Prime when I was 4. When I was 4. I have no intention of seeing anything Transformers related at 27. Have fun being crotchety, old man. Back in MY day [fill in blank]. You were cool? Seriously, it was a good movie. |
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I'm sure I'd hate it. One of the things I absolutely cannot stand about Japanese animation is the conceit of giant robots. (Hence one of the reasons I tend to abstain from the medium, despite an admiration of Miyazaki). I'm sure I'd hate it even more in a live action american film. I'm also sure it's not a good movie. It's getting a 56 on Rottentomatoes. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_the_movie/That's only a hair above terrible. I don't want to spend my time or money on a movie that can't even get a D grade. |
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