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« on: August 14, 2007, 03:01:17 pm » |
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I'm declaring Dream Halls unrestricted under my own authority.
Anyone who gets game loss in a vintage tournament for running 4xDream Halls, report to me and I'll take care of you
with a shovel.
This is not an opinion, or call for a petition. Im serious.
Fact: Dream Halls is unrestricted. Because I said so.
Anyone who thinks differently, including the DCI or any tournament organizer, is simply wrong.
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« Last Edit: August 14, 2007, 03:03:48 pm by vroman »
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2007, 04:19:50 pm » |
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That's great news  Almost finished with my Pet dream halls casual deck. Lol. Anyway, what harm could it possibly do in a world where the game is won for 1U? /Zeus |
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2007, 10:29:47 pm » |
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You have my undying support good sir.
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2007, 03:16:14 am » |
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It's by far the weakest card on the restrict list...with grim monolith and burning wish as the 2nd and 3rd weakest cards. (And possibly personal tutor)
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2007, 10:05:29 am » |
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Vroman, the Emporor Norton of Vintage! the (3rd) weakest card on the restrict list...burning wish Obviously you've never seen Your Mother |
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2007, 10:38:11 am » |
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2007, 12:23:05 pm » |
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Vroman, the Emporor Norton of Vintage! the (3rd) weakest card on the restrict list...burning wish Obviously you've never seen Your Mother Well, actually i have, that deck was awesome...But that dosn't really change the fact that burning wish is pretty weak... /Zeus |
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2007, 03:19:16 pm » |
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Ha, it'd be great to have Dream Halls unrestricted. I can definitely see it being broken, but the deck would have to be solely based around it, so I doubt it'd be very popular.
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2007, 03:20:26 pm » |
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Ha, it'd be great to have Dream Halls unrestricted. I can definitely see it being broken, but the deck would have to be solely based around it, so I doubt it'd be very popular.
apparently you dont understand. Dream Halls IS unrestricted. Ive decreed it. |
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2007, 05:42:58 pm » |
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4 x Dream Halls is unrestricted! Sweet!
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2007, 09:23:37 pm » |
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Ha, it'd be great to have Dream Halls unrestricted. I can definitely see it being broken, but the deck would have to be solely based around it, so I doubt it'd be very popular.
apparently you dont understand. Dream Halls IS unrestricted. Ive decreed it. So at Gen Con when I play 4x dream hall.dec are you going to back me on it Vroman? |
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2007, 09:33:56 pm » |
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Ha, it'd be great to have Dream Halls unrestricted. I can definitely see it being broken, but the deck would have to be solely based around it, so I doubt it'd be very popular.
apparently you dont understand. Dream Halls IS unrestricted. Ive decreed it. So at Gen Con when I play 4x dream hall.dec are you going to back me on it Vroman? Only if they are proxy Dream Halls. |
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2007, 11:29:05 pm » |
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So at Gen Con when I play 4x dream hall.dec are you going to back me on it Vroman?
of course. unfortunately for you, the game loss w dreamhall.dec is a self-pruning process. |
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2007, 11:31:29 pm » |
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Burning Wish the 3rd weakest?
The following are far more tame than that card:
Entomb
Time Spiral
Enlightened Tutor
Mox Diamond
Hell, the latter two are barely played in legacy.
Also up for contention of "stronger than burning wish", I would put FoF, Chrome Mox, and maybe Mana Vault. I mean, those cards really aren't that great (although I've never seen 4 FoF in vintage, so I'm not really an expert).
However, I will definitely assert that I have far more faith in Vroman's ability to make b/r changes for vintage than wotc at this point. Anyone willing to step up and axe gush? You can hit flash and merchant scroll too if you are really ambitious.
More on topic: In all seriousness, this doesn't matter. It would be like what would happen if wotc decided to restrict Adventurer's Guildhouse and then someone unrestricted it. That being said, yeah, its unrestricted, no problem.
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2007, 03:01:53 am » |
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Time spiral and enlightened tutor must have slipped my mind to be honest  Entomb is good though...and mox diamond sux in vintage, but it's probably abuseable on some level..(That goes for burning wish aswell though) I'm pretty happy with the current restrict list though, with a few exceptions...going: - Dream halls - Grim monolith - Burning wish - Time spiral - Enlightened tutor - Mox diamond + Flash + Gush + Merchant scroll ...would probably set it just right imho...But really, most of those cards wouldn't affect anything at all! Here's my thoughts on these cards: - Dream halls - INSANE effect..but 3UU...move along, nothing to see here. - Grim monolith - Wow, a mana vault for 2 mana?...urh, nothing amazing, both cabal and dark ritual are better..oh and monolith/power artifact is kinda casual - Burning wish - Yeah, yeah long bla bla....they now got Grim tutor which is FAR better...This card is rather innocent. - Time spiral - 4UU...Yup, that's all i got to say. - Enlightened tutor - Well this could fuel a turn 2 necropotence based deck, but is that really all that bad? Gives you plenty of time to respond, this is vintage, not type2. - Mox diamond - Vintage decks dosn't play lands, well they do, just not enough....I suppose it could be broken...somehow... /Zeus |
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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2007, 08:19:40 am » |
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@Zeus: I totally agree with your changes there. Although rather than restrict Gush I'd actually restrict Dark Ritual and I'd unrestrict Mana Vault as well. Why? Dark Ritual fuels a lot of combo decks, take this away and our format will be able to slow down again.  I'd keep Gush because it's not causing much of a problem at the moment. Vault should be unrestricted because it's strictly worse than Dark Ritual in Vintage and probably would help bring Stax back. |
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2007, 08:58:41 am » |
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Vault should be unrestricted
No. However, this is NOT a thread about the B&R List. It is simply an announcement of Dream Halls' unrestriction, and the discussion should be kept to such. I for one believe that this change was long overdue, and thank Vroman for introducing it. |
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2007, 01:16:33 pm » |
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I vote vroman emergency B/R list power over WOTC. He takes the initiative, and hasn't gotten us stuck in 2003 again. Or made blue combo decks amazing.
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