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« on: January 14, 2004, 01:39:52 pm » |
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Portal, as in "door". I had excellent flavor text to go with this, but it's currently stuck in old-TMD limbo. When it's viewable again I'll get it back and add it in.
Dread Portal
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Sorcery
Reveal the top card of your library. If that card is black, put it into play. Otherwise, return Dread Portal to owner's hand.
So you keep opening the door until you find something nasty. The flavor text was something like "We pried open the door only to discover that within the murk lay deeper dangers."
Current wording:
Dread Portal
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Sorcery
Shuffle your library and reveal the top card. If that card is a black permanent, put it into play. Otherwise, remove that card from the game and return Dread Portal to owner's hand.
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2004, 01:47:45 pm » |
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You cannot put sorceries or instants into play, the wording should reflect that, maybe "if the card is a black creature or enchantment".
But somehow this card does not look black. And, comparing to other cards like Show and Tell or Natural Order, it should possibly cost 3 mana.
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2004, 01:50:59 pm » |
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Wording updated. Also, I don't know what you mean by 'doesn't look black'. Thirdly, it's a lot easier to have a card in hand (Show and Tell, Eureka) or just somewhere in your library (Natural Order) than to get it back on top of your deck.
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2004, 01:55:39 pm » |
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I know, but Show and Tell and Eureka are symmetrical and Natural Order needs a sacrifice and they are still costed 3 respectively 4.
Well, not paying casting costs is either a blue thing or green (if it is a creature), black only does it via animation so far or am I wrong? However, this was just a feeling.
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2004, 03:55:30 pm » |
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The wording "black creature or enchantment" may lead folks to believe that they may put any enchantment, regardless of color, into play with this ability.
Maybe "black creature or black enchantment" ? (or can we just use "black permanent")
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2004, 03:26:34 am » |
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Obviously, I like this. A strong, black card. But it's combo material, I'm afraid.
Turn 1: swamp - ritual - vampiric (put bargain on top) - dread portal. Ouch.
Granted, chances of exactly that occuring aren't all that high (around 2% actually) but there's other ways to do this with moxen, loti, and other lib manipulation cards (ancestral knowledge?).
Mind you, I'm not saying we shouldn't do this card. Just that it might be stronger than y'all think.
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2004, 04:02:46 am » |
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Well if it's going to make the difference between being finalized or not, I could say:
Dread Portal
BB
Sorcery
Shuffle your library and reveal the top card. If that card is a black permanent, put it into play. Otherwise, remove that card from the game and return Dread Portal to owner's hand.
So it ends up thinning out your nonblack stuff (which is what I really want it to do), yet isn't combo-able.
I don't really even take Bargain into account anymore. There's so many ways to find and get it into play turn one already, that unless a new method is uncounterable or just ridiculously undercosted, it's not going to really matter. How much faster can T1 combo decks honestly get?
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2004, 05:03:10 am » |
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Well, I may be out of sync with the card creation forum, but havent we stopped focussing on Type I only?
Anyway, your last suggestion is superb, it is elegant, almost non-abuseable and has two uses now, bypassing casting costs and deck thinning. Now, that it is deck thinning, too, I think even more it should cost UB or something, but I would finalize
Dread Portal
BB
Sorcery
Shuffle your library and reveal the top card. If that card is a black permanent, put it into play. Otherwise, remove that card from the game and return Dread Portal to owner's hand.
any day.
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2004, 05:04:12 am » |
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Well it was already deck thinning. The only thing it loses is the ability to set up what you Portal into.
Also, yes, we stopped focusing on T1 only, but that's the only place Bargain is legal, and thus the only place Bargain-examples are relevant.
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2004, 05:11:28 am » |
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Curent wording is:
"Reveal the top card of your library. If that card is a black permanent, put it into play. Otherwise, return Dread Portal to owner's hand. "
If it fails, it does not thin.
And about the Bargain example, you have to use reverse logic:
It may be true in Type I that Bargain can be fetched very easily already. But each format has it's Bargain type of card. AS always, I am thinking globally and try to be safe, even regarding the future. Once you printed Goblin Lackey, you cannot print any big Goblins with huge casting costs without getting into troubles. And the original version of Dread Portal could have the same effect on future high end cc black permamnents. That's how thge Bargain comment should be read.
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2004, 05:13:37 am » |
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Touche'. Changes made.
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2004, 07:18:53 am » |
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Now THERE's a card I can live with. Just don't give it 'Storm' and I think we can finilize this baby  |
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2004, 06:02:45 pm » |
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I think that Puschkin has a point that it doesn't 'feel' black. Library thinning and manipulation are blue abilities, generally speaking. If you made it cost 1B or just B and added some additional cost (i.e. pay 3-4 life, choose and discard a card, sacrifice a creature) then it would 'feel' black.
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2004, 06:50:23 am » |
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Oh god...not MORE life loss.
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<j_orlove> but not the half that tells me how others should live theirs
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2004, 11:04:23 am » |
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Oh god...not MORE life loss. Word. THE most overused mechanic on every card creation forum (right next to "cannot be countered" ...) |
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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2004, 04:44:59 pm » |
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suggestion as to making this weaker (if it is a worry...)
Dread Portal
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Sorcery
Shuffle your library and reveal the top card. If that card is a black permanent, put it into play. Otherwise, remove the top 5 cards of your library from the game and return Dread Portal to owner's hand at end of turn.
thins the deck if it isn't black, but uncontrolabley. also prevents abuse by only letting it do it once a turn. this is only a rough idea btw...
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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2004, 04:40:24 am » |
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I like the EOT thing, but the remove 5 cards thing might prevent it from being played at all. I think the shuffling thing has weakened it significantly already.
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2004, 05:45:30 pm » |
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I'll throw on a clock then, and with respect to tradition, it will be twenty-four hours.
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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2004, 11:13:09 am » |
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at the very least make it come back at the end of turn to prevent it from being so abused...
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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2004, 07:49:29 pm » |
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Abused? At the abolute most you'll be getting a black permanent only every three cards, so you'll probably wind up wasting a lot of time and mana. It's almost impossible to abuse, as it is.
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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2004, 08:20:56 pm » |
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Card added, thread closed.[/color]
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