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17 Participates 1st Francis Hart 2nd Ron Saus 3rd Paul Mastriano 4th Josh Morford 5th Justin Morford (Tyrant Oath) 6th Zachary Cavis (The Gatsby) 7th James Lasko (Belcher) 8th Brian Keil (Ichorid) 1st Francis Hart Mogg Flash Carrion Feeder Reveillark Mogg Fanatic Body Snatcher Body Double 2x Daze 4x Merchant Scroll 4x Flash 4x Brainstorm 4x Pact of Negation 4x Force of Will Demonic Tutor Vampiric Tutor Elvish Spirit Guide 3x Protean Hulk 4x Summoner’s Pact Chain of Vapor Mystical Tutor Ancestral Recall Misdirection Mox Emerald Mox Jet Mox Pearl Mox Saphire Mox Ruby Black Lotus Lotus Petal Mana Crypt Island 2x Tropical Island 2x Underground Sea 2x Flooded Strand 4x Polluted Delta S/B 4x Reverant Silence 1x Seal of Primordium 4x Virulent Sliver Heart Sliver 4x Leyline of the Void Hurkyl’s Recall 2nd Ron Saus Red/Green 2x Stingscourger 4x Lighting Bolt 3x Gorilla Shaman 4x Simian Spirit Guide 2x Tin Street Hooligan 3x Magus of the Moon 3x Kird Ape 4x Tarmogoyf 3x Wild Mongrel 4x Root Maze Elvish Spirit Guide Thornweld Archer 5x Forest 4x Mountains 4x Taiga Strip Mine 3x Wasteland 2x Wooded Foothills Artifact Mutation 4x Null Rod 2x Chalice of the Void S/B 2x Krosan Grip Artifact Mutation 4x Pyrokinesis 4x Pyrostatic Pillar 2x Red Elemental Blast 2x Pyroblast 3rd Paul Mastriano Tyrant Oath Island 2x Volcanic Island 2x Underground Sea 2x Flooded Strand 3x Polluted Delta 4x Oath of Druids 4x Forbidden Orchard 2x Tropical Island 4x Gush Brainfreeze 3x Thoughtseize Krosan Reclamation Fastbond Time Walk Demonic Tutor Ancestral Recall Vampiric Tutor Yawgmoth’s Will Chain of Vapor 4x Force of Will 2x Tidespout Tyrant Flash of Insight 3x Ponder 4x Brainstorm 3x Merchant Scroll Mana Crypt Lotus Petal Mox Ruby Mox Emerald Mox Sapphire Mox Jet Black Lotus S/B 2x Shattering Spree 2x Tormod’s Crypt Bitter Ordeal Tendrils of Agony Extirpate Hurkyl’s Recall 4x Leyline of the Void Pyroblast 2x Red Elemental Blast 4th Josh Morford Morford Superlong 2.0 4x Brainstorm 3x Ponder 4x Force of Will 4x Thoughtseize 2x Duress 4x Dark Ritual Black Lotus Lotus Petal Mox Sapphire Mox Ruby Mox Jet Mox Emerald Mana Crypt 2x Grim Tutor 2x Flooded Strand 3x Polluted Delta Island 2x Volcanic Island 4x Underground Sea Yawgmoth’s Bargain Memory Jar Wheel of Fortune Imperial Seal Timetwister Empty the Warrens Yawgmoth’s Will Demonic Tutor Mind’s Desire Chain of Vapor Tinker Necropotence Vampiric Tutor Mystical Tutor Timewalk Hurkyl’s Recall Tendrills of Agony Ancestral Recall S/B 4x Red Elemental Blast Hurkyl’s Recall Rebuild 4x Extirpate Pyroclasm Fire/Ice Darksteel Collosus Tormod’s Crypt  Left Front: Paul Mastriano Back Left: Justin Morford Front Right: Josh Morford Back Right: Francis Hart  Drew, the owner of Superior Sports Cards    Paul rocking my old playmat which was traded away in a massive mox emerald deal... it's soo pimp (but not as sweet as my new mat featured on StarCity pimp thread) |
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2008, 10:53:49 am » |
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I'm kind of new to the whole vintage scene. Could someone explain the process in which you win with Mogg Flash?
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2008, 11:05:36 am » |
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I'm kind of new to the whole vintage scene. Could someone explain the process in which you win with Mogg Flash?
Flash in Hulk Hulk gets Body double and Carrion feeder Carrion feeder sacs body double after copying hulk to get reveillark and mogg fanatic. Carrion feeder sacs reveillark after tossing fanatic at opponent, reveillark returns body double copying reveillark and mogg fanatic. Sac reveillark and continue loop. This kill is great because it can be done at instant speed and in response to pact triggers. |
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2008, 11:26:09 am » |
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Thanks for the speedy reply! It sounds like a fun deck to play. Where does the body snatcher fit in though? I'm assuming it is used when a piece of your combo is in your hand, but when would you use him in the combo?
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2008, 11:52:49 am » |
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I wish I could have made it, but weather prevented me from making the journey. Is anyone going to post decklists of 5-8. I would like to see the rest of the field. Hope it was successful enough to have a do-over soon.
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2008, 12:38:11 pm » |
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Thanks for the speedy reply! It sounds like a fun deck to play. Where does the body snatcher fit in though? I'm assuming it is used when a piece of your combo is in your hand, but when would you use him in the combo?
Whenever one of the combo critters that isn't Carrion Feeder is in your hand. When Reveillark is in hand: flash out hulk. get body double+feeder. double the hulk and sack him get fantastic+snatcher. discard rev. sack snatcher. rev, fantastic, and feeder in play. combo out When BD is in hand: flas out hulk. get snatcher+fantastic+feeder sack snatcher, discard bd copying hulk. you have bd(hulk), feeder, fantastic in play and rev in library. combo out. when Fantastic in hand: You get feeder and double for first Hulk... Then you get revelark, sac it and return double as a hulk, sac it, get snatcher, pitch fantastic, sac snatcher to get Rev, or a double for rev, then go off. The new Flash kill is starting to put up results. One made it in Spain. Endress of GWS put up a 3rd in Wisconsin. Now it won in Penn. Pact can be used to protect against duress with the isntant kill. Or you can flash, pact, get flash countered twice, and during your upkeep flash again. Interesting that Hart's list appears that it completely bends over to Chalice@2 pre and post board. |
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2008, 02:33:10 pm » |
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Excellent! Hopefully Flash will continue to put up results, this way people will eventually realize how awful its existence is for the integrity of skilled Vintage play.
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2008, 03:04:31 pm » |
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The abbility to win at instant speed is a horrifying improvement, no doubt about that. But doesn't the new kill has the same downsides compared to the Sliver kill - meaning being vulnerable to Tormod and Needle?
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2008, 03:08:56 pm » |
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The abbility to win at instant speed is a horrifying improvement, no doubt about that. But doesn't the new kill has the same downsides compared to the Sliver kill - meaning being vulnerable to Tormod and Needle?
Issue is, its quite vulnerable. Can be hit by Extirpate, any graveyard removal, EE @ 1. But the instant speed is nuts. |
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2008, 03:10:12 pm » |
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Excellent! Hopefully Flash will continue to put up results, this way people will eventually realize how awful its existence is for the integrity of skilled Vintage play.
Ok, as long as the DCI doesn't restrict it. The abbility to win at instant speed is a horrifying improvement, no doubt about that. But doesn't the new kill has the same downsides compared to the Sliver kill - meaning being vulnerable to Tormod and Needle?
The instant kill already existed (with the Carrion Feeder kill with Bloodshot Cyclops and Teardrop Kami). All this does is shave a card off that kill. It is a definite improvement but not a "horrifying" one. |
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2008, 04:29:39 pm » |
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I enjoyed playing yesterday and want to thank everyone who helped put this together. I wish Francis and I would have played it out for first, but at that point the roads were getting bad from the snow and I just wanted to go home (he didnt seem to want to play it out since he was tired), so we just agreed to a split. I ended up going 5-2 (and then the split for first), 1st round lost vs oath, 2nd round won vs shenanigans, 3rd round won vs shop, 4th lost vs belcher, 5th won vs shop. Then in the top eight, won vs Long, won vs oath, and split with flash.
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2008, 04:57:40 pm » |
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The abbility to win at instant speed is a horrifying improvement, no doubt about that. But doesn't the new kill has the same downsides compared to the Sliver kill - meaning being vulnerable to Tormod and Needle?
How is the sliver kill vulnerable to Tormod's Crypt? This kill is also weaker against any form of rfg. With slivers you could just go beatdown, but this will become a pile of crap once one of the pieces is removed. |
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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2008, 05:13:05 pm » |
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The abbility to win at instant speed is a horrifying improvement, no doubt about that. But doesn't the new kill has the same downsides compared to the Sliver kill - meaning being vulnerable to Tormod and Needle?
How is the sliver kill vulnerable to Tormod's Crypt? This kill is also weaker against any form of rfg. With slivers you could just go beatdown, but this will become a pile of crap once one of the pieces is removed. I was obviously talking about this new kill being vulnerable to Tormod, Needle ... |
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2008, 10:35:03 pm » |
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how did day two turn out?
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2008, 10:46:38 pm » |
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Unfortunetly, my Grandfather's health took a sharp turn for the worse Saturday night after the tournament. I had to leave town in a hurry and Paul Mastriano took the reigns of T/O. Due to horrible weather, there were only 8 participants. Paul Mastriano (Tyrant Oath) and Francis Hart (Mogg Flash) split. Francis Hart is insanely good! Watch for this kid! ---- Hopefuly, Mastriano will post results if he has them.
I would like to thank all of those who attended the tournament. I hope that an enjoyable time was had by all. It was an amazingly diverse and healthy Meta! I will be holding more events in the future and I will try and create better prize support structure as well as organization with each event.
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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2008, 12:25:11 am » |
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Unfortunetly, my Grandfather's health took a sharp turn for the worse Saturday night after the tournament. I had to leave town in a hurry and Paul Mastriano took the reigns of T/O. Due to horrible weather, there were only 8 participants. Paul Mastriano (Tyrant Oath) and Francis Hart (Mogg Flash) split. Francis Hart is insanely good! Watch for this kid! ---- Hopefuly, Mastriano will post results if he has them.
I would like to thank all of those who attended the tournament. I hope that an enjoyable time was had by all. It was an amazingly diverse and healthy Meta! I will be holding more events in the future and I will try and create better prize support structure as well as organization with each event.
sorry to hear that, hope everything goes well. I was thinking about coming out to play the second day but was magiced out after the first. Hopfully more people will show when you guys hold another event in the future, I know I cant wait for the next one. |
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2008, 11:44:07 pm » |
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Ok I am new to vintage but Flash (one version or another) is what I am learning vintage on. I see how this MB is superior due to the instant speed of the kill, however, I do not understand the SB. Leyline ( an obvious SB choice of the opponent) seems to me to shatter your win condition whether you have fanatic/rev/double combo through the hulk or virulent/heart sliver through the hulk. I see the 4 reverent's to combat this but I don't understand SBing one win condition for another that is contingent on the same combo. Can someone clear this up for me. otherwise I would be inclined to come up with a better/different type of win condition in the sideboard (if this can be done with 15 cards).
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2008, 12:00:42 am » |
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Ok I am new to vintage but Flash (one version or another) is what I am learning vintage on. I see how this MB is superior due to the instant speed of the kill, however, I do not understand the SB. Leyline ( an obvious SB choice of the opponent) seems to me to shatter your win condition whether you have fanatic/rev/double combo through the hulk or virulent/heart sliver through the hulk. I see the 4 reverent's to combat this but I don't understand SBing one win condition for another that is contingent on the same combo. Can someone clear this up for me. otherwise I would be inclined to come up with a better/different type of win condition in the sideboard (if this can be done with 15 cards).
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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2008, 12:49:49 am » |
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Ok I am new to vintage but Flash (one version or another) is what I am learning vintage on. I see how this MB is superior due to the instant speed of the kill, however, I do not understand the SB. Leyline ( an obvious SB choice of the opponent) seems to me to shatter your win condition whether you have fanatic/rev/double combo through the hulk or virulent/heart sliver through the hulk. I see the 4 reverent's to combat this but I don't understand SBing one win condition for another that is contingent on the same combo. Can someone clear this up for me. otherwise I would be inclined to come up with a better/different type of win condition in the sideboard (if this can be done with 15 cards).
Ok sorry apparently my question was unclear, what I am asking in this post is: An opponent of flash will almost always SB in Leyline. With the posted sideboard including the *other* flash kill of slivers, how is the fanatic to sliver kill going to combat the fact that my opponent will be trying their darnedest to get leyline in play. |
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2008, 07:47:11 pm » |
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Morford's list looks pretty good... what's the 15th SB card, Echoing Truth?
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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2008, 10:54:56 pm » |
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The flash deck looks really nasty. I specially like how he can side in the sliver kill to change things up on his opponent. Though I wonder when he would prefer the sliver kill over the mogg kill?
@leyline question - he has 5 sb answers to pesky enchantments.
@15th sb card - I counted 15 cards (h-recall being 15th)
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« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2008, 11:20:22 pm » |
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@15th sb card - I counted 15 cards (h-recall being 15th)
Im only seeing 14 cards, he played a Plat. Angel on me in the top 8, so maybe thats his 15th SB card b/c i dont seem to see it anywhere else in his deck list. |
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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2008, 08:57:16 am » |
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Pretty sure it was Platz... I will check the deck lists sometime this weekend...
Day two had Mastriano and Hart splitting out 1 and 2. They played the same lists.
3 and 4 were held by Ichorid and Stax... Again, I will try to get lists up this weekend. Things have been pretty busy for me with my work and personal life.
I do know that Chris Ripple of Team CMU finished 3rd with a pretty standard Manaless Ichorid deck. I was kind of shocked to see him make a transition over to vintage!
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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2008, 08:32:38 pm » |
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Chris finished 4th with ichorid on day 2 Stax took 3rd... Paul also I think was playing superlong on day 2. Sunday was a weird Meta it was like 2 long 2 manaless ichorid 2 stax 1 flash 1 oath somehow I played against Ichorid like all weekend.. I loved all my MU's all my opponents were awesome guys.. I was amazed at how well my list did all weekend. except in like round 5 of day one when my 3rd game all I drew was land and we ended up drawing out of top 8. Bahhhh....
all you meandeck guys are awesome..
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