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« on: April 04, 2008, 10:05:45 am » |
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Hi, they posted this on the official site:
Beseech the Queen {2/b}{2/b}{2/b} Sorcery ({2/b} can be paid with any two mana or with B. This card's converted mana cost is 6.) Search your library for a card with converted mana cost less than or equal to the number of lands you control, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library. Those who hear her go mad with inspiration. Illus. Jason Chan #57/301
I'm thinking it's a good new tutor, it costs as much as a grim tutor (BBB), it's playable as it get's most of the things you want to get, (black lotus at 0, ancestral at 1) and if you get three lands (granted, not a common ocurrence in grim long but it happens more than we think) you can get pretty much anything you want, including the Yagwmoth's Will.
So what do you think, stock up on these or not worth it?
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2008, 10:12:09 am » |
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It is a cute card, but I think it won't beat Grim Tutor in Vintage playability. Yes, it doesn't cost you three life. But Grim Tutor gets you any card you want at any time (and for one black mana less). This flexibility weights much mure than the life loss.
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2008, 12:31:51 pm » |
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I've been trying to think of a way to break this card using it's straight colorless cost... a colorless tutor has to be breakable, right? Maybe Metalworker?
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2008, 04:20:49 pm » |
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Problem with MUD is you can't use Shops to cast it, so your worker would already have to be in play to use it.
I can definately see its uses in a combo deck for someone who doesn't want to go through the hassle of tracking down grim tutors. From what I understood, most of the time the grim tutor was used to continue the storm chain, fetching lotus. This would be less effective but have its potential, despite the fact that you could not fetch will, bargain, or tendrils w/ it until later in the game.
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2008, 06:58:47 pm » |
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This is just a rough Idea, but what about a deck based on the Fastbond/Gush engine using lots of artifacts and Mana Drains to power out a Beseech the Queen for Fastbond?
Fastbond Beseech...
x1 Ancestral Recall x4 Brainstorm x4 Gush x2 Ponder
x4 Force of Will x4 Mana Drain x4 Duress x2 Thoughtseize
x4 Beseech the Queen x1 Demonic Tutor x1 Cunning Wish
x3 Psychatog
x1 Time Walk x1 Fastbond x1 Yawgmoth's Will
x1 Black Lotus x1 Mana Crpyt x1 Mana Vault x1 Lotus Petal x1 Mox Sapphire x1 Mox Jet x1 Mox Emerald x1 Mox Ruby x1 Mox Pearl
x1 Tolarian Academy x4 Polluted Delta x2 Flooded Strand x2 Tropical Island x2 Underground Sea x2 Island x1 Swamp
Thought on this idea, anyone?
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2008, 06:24:26 am » |
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The main problem with this card is we already have better black tutors, and we already have better colorless mana sink (mindslaver comes to mind)
It could be great, but needs 3 lands in play to be effective the way grim tutor is. However, maybe a mono brow deck could use this to find strip mine on a regular basis. Time will tell
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2008, 07:27:11 am » |
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if you're paying black mana for this thing, it's strictly worse than grim tutor, which hardly gets played, and probably diabolic tutor as well, which doesn't get played in any format. If you're paying colorless mana for this thing, there are much better ways to spend your mana, as per the example above.
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2008, 07:51:48 am » |
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It could be good in a Long deck to help build storm count. You can Dark Ritual into it, go fetch another ritual, etc etc. If you have 3 lands in play, it could go get Yawgmoth's Will or Necropotence. But ouyside of a Long deck, I don't see it being popular.
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2008, 08:56:09 am » |
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In Turbo MUD it can fetch either part of Worker-->Staff. The only problem is that if you have the Staff and need the Worker, you'll need 3 lands in play, and 6 (non-shop) mana. Urborg, perhaps?
Another direction would be to run 4 Workers (obviously), some number of BtQ, and then singletons. One Staff, one Powder Keg, maybe some bullets like Tormod's Crypt, etc.
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A strong play.
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2008, 09:53:02 am » |
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This card sucks for ritual combo. You need 4 lands in play to tutor up Tendrils with it. That happens approximately one in 8 games.
In regards to this in Metalworker combo, the land restriction seems very annoying. Paying 9 mana for a staff seems bad....
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