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Mophead-Masquerade
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« on: June 04, 2008, 11:17:17 pm »

Well I always have my Mono-Black cards around because I love the deck more than any other deck I've ever played. I don't usually play it in tournaments, because it is not tier one, but when my friends who play casual (but follow the Vintage restricted list) want to sling some cardboard, you can be sure I sleeve up this rad deck.

Well here is a list I wrote about five minutes ago, so unfortunately I have not tested yet. However, I will provide some of my reasonings for the included cards.

MBC

11 Swamp
1 Urborg, tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
4 Mishra's Factory
1 Mox Jet
1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
4 Dark Ritual

4 Hypnotic Specter
4 Dark Confidant
3 Withered Wretch
4 Nantuko Shade

4 Duress
3 Thoughtseize
4 Diabolic Edict
3 Null Rod
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Consultation

CARD CHOICES:
Strip/Waste: Mana denial will be stronger because gushing in response or brainstorming into lands will be gone.
Ritual: Leads to insane first turns
Withered Wretch: Ichorid will be popular, and he gives a maindeck answer, this guy is also good against yawgmoth's will based wins.
Nantuko Shade: Good beater, Cheaper than Negator, and can hit for more than Negator. Helps Rituals in the late game by changing them to Giant Growths.
Null Rod: Stops Moxes, Sensei's Divining Top, and other unfriendly artifacts.
Edict: I expect aggro to be a huge matchup, workshops, dawn of the dead, etc.

Possible Inclusions (SB and MD)
Negator: I've stated my reasons for running shade over negator.
Fullminator Mage: Decent ability, but null rods and strip/wastes cover this job.
Engineered Plague(SB): If goblins gets big certain measures are required to take care of those guys.
Leyline: self explanatory
Thorn of Amethyst: Good against combo, like belcher, which will most likely see play for a while.
Jailer: ichorid
Dystopia: discussions on oath are already taking place.
Powder Keg?: we need something for the shops.

So, what do you guys think.
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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2008, 06:29:24 am »

I think that discard is better than ever at the moment, so I'd play the full 8 duress and thoughtseize, and even be tempted to play unmask on top of those for more of the same!

Maybe 1 Krvec's spite?  (how on earth do you spell that? O_o)

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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2008, 08:44:03 pm »

I dont think I would play the spite, and the 8th duress effect could be amazing. Honestly, I've never played more than 7, but the deck should be tested.

Also, I forgot to mention Oona's Prowler as a possible creature.
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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2008, 09:14:00 pm »

I would definitely maindeck four Leyline of the Void.  It promises to be amazing in the new format, and this kind of deck can easily hardcast it.

Obviously it's probably less valuable in a casual setting.
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2008, 11:34:52 pm »

I dont see a yawgwill and flash is nerfed.  Unless you're expecting academy rectors or something equally problematic, planar void is a lot better than leyline.  That way you can cast them as you draw them too.  I guess if Ichorid gets stuff in the yard turn 1 (3 cards max, usually with bazaar) but if you mull into planar void the same way that you would mull into leyline you are only susceptable to the first turn unmask in general.

This of course excludes mana ichorid, but that's one matchup and it turns dead cards into castable, redundant threats.
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2008, 03:02:13 pm »

I did consider Leyline main, but I decided that you would not want to draw into those cards. Wretch handles yawg will, and the deck can eek out game ones against Ichorid. Also, you should be able to win games 2 and 3, if you want to side in 4 leylines and 3 jailer, which is my current plan if i was going to play in an unknown field.
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2008, 03:36:17 am »

Looks good although i think that 4 edicts is overkill...unless you are absolutely swamped with aggro in which case you could even consider some form of mass removal? or is it simply too expensive?
Also masticore in the sideboard is a must since it destroys goblins/sligh and generally any weenie aggro deck. Spinning darkness is a good sideboard choice vs aggro.

Personally i also play sinkhole and hymn to tourach and they work for me.


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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2008, 04:54:23 am »

Sorry, but I don't see the "control"-part in here.

Lokks like a pretty standart suicid-deck to me.. oO' That was played like 3 years ago.

Aggro Creatures and heavy Disruption. No control in my sight. (I know control means not equally counter... -.-)
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2008, 10:32:02 am »

I've never had a problem with 4 edicts, but your results may differ. Also, I've never played more than 7 discard effects, but there is certainly room for testing, because the new metagame might call for more.

ALso, feel free to call the deck whatever you want. My first deck was very similar to this, and it was introduced to me as Mono Black Control. Therefore, I call decks of this nature MBC.
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2008, 01:56:10 pm »

A couple of ideas . . .

What about bitterblossoms in this deck in place of the shade? It puts a growing clock on the opponent and frees up your mana.

Also, what about a singleton nether void in the deck to tutor for and seal up the game? Otherwise the opponent can top deck a tutor and then will or ancestral and suddenly all your discard was for nothing.

Chains of mephistopheles in the sideboard seems good versus TFK.dec or AK.dec
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2008, 03:30:25 pm »

Hi,
What is your gameplan vs Stax?
Dont you think in a red splash for sb hate(rack and ruin,shattering spree..) and magus of the moon maindeck?
In testing a deck like this,but i play more disruption and less creatures.
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2008, 09:53:43 pm »

@credmond: I have played void and I do think it is a good idea. Ill probably test one later on. I don't like bitterblossom, I did test a lsit when the card first came out, but it didn't work the way I wanted it to. I personally like shade, because it makes drawing into mana sources not as bad. I know if you draw your mana you can play any other top deck,  but rituals become useless in the late game. Shade at least makes it a giant growth. Chains is definitely a good side board option.

@ nantuko: stax has been a hard matchup for a long time. This is mainly due to the lack of black artifact hate, obviously. You could go red or green for artifact hate. There are definitely a lot of paths this deck can take, just like other decks of this nature(TMWA?).  Hope your testing goes well.
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2008, 11:24:06 pm »

Have you considered Imp's Mischief.  I find it is unexpected and strong for highjacking an opponents spells.  What about Dash Hopes? Most people poo paa this card but it forces your opponent to waste a counterspell (which is always good) or pay 5 life which helps your clock, third option is actually stops a spell.
Oona's I think is a little better then Hypie.
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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2008, 12:22:49 am »

Using bitterblossoms will improve the stax matchup. The last thing stax wants is free dudes pumping out of an enchantment and putting a growing clock on the stax player. Lots of dudes minimizes the problems associated with tangle wire and  smokestack. Stax's game plan is to lock down the board. Bitterblossoms does an awesome job sidestepping that strategy.
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2008, 12:21:49 pm »

4x Extripate seems like a good choice here.

A well time Duress/Thoughtseize followed by Extirpate can spell game over or throw the game in your favor.
In my MBC deck, my Stax matchups were won by my extirpates.

I have tried Dash Hopes and had some great late game luck with it.

I  also MD 3x Engineered Explosives to deal with Chalice at 1 or 2

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« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2008, 03:29:38 am »

I think this is not Mono-Black-Control.

This is rather, a Suicide Black.


My take:

4 Nantuko Shade
4 Dark Confidant  (Oh I love this card's ability!)
3 Withered Wretch
4 Hypnotic Specter
4 Bitterblossom (Why oh why did I ever sold mine. >.< )

4 Dark Ritual
4 Contagion / Diabolic Edict / Sinkhole
4 Duress
3 Thoughtsieze
3 Extirpate
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
3 Null Rod

3 Wasteland
1 Stripmine
14 Swamp


SB:

4 Leyline of the Void
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Extirpate
3 Powder Keg
3 Engineered Plague


PS:

I don't own any of the Power 9 so I posted an un-proxied version.

Hymn to Tourach is omitted in favor of Thoughtsieze, but I'm not really sure.
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