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Author Topic: 12/6/08 Legacy at Pastimes (Niles, IL) for duals  (Read 3037 times)
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« on: October 20, 2008, 01:49:22 pm »

Hey folks, we're trying our hand at eternal tournies again.  Any feedback you guys can give me about what will make you come for this would be appreciated.  We're open to changing the prize support/entry fee.


Saturday December 6th
11am Registration 12 Noon Start
Pastimes
8351 Golf Rd
Niles, IL 60714
Entry Fee $20

1st Place 10 Revised Dual Lands 1 Set
2nd Place 5 Revised Dual Lands Friendly Colors
3rd and 4th Place 2 Revised Dual Lands Each (Our Choice)

For more info PM me, email me at Pastimeseventmanager@gmail.com, or call Pastimes at 847-470-9636
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2008, 02:24:55 pm »

The prizes are a little light for me to drive from Wisconsin.  Also are these garaunteed, because I know in the past Pastimes has said they are and then they didnt run the tournament when they didnt get the amount of people they wanted.
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2008, 03:57:22 pm »

Honestly, I've never experienced Pastimes not giving out the listed prizes if they hit sanctioned play. I've seen them give out a playset of duals to 20ish people (well below expected turnout). When I brought a friend up the same day as a nearby PTQ we played 4 man legacy for a box and a half of product at $10 entry. There are many things that have been said about Pastimes, but as far as I know, not paying out as advertised isn't true.  I don't know if I'll be able to make this event (depends on who I can get to ride with me) but I've love to make it and will definitely try to be there.
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2008, 04:50:24 pm »

Owen T. and Myself were at a tourney that they refused to run.  Normally I wouldnt care too much but it is almost two hours each way plus me getting up early on the weekends.
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2008, 08:25:11 pm »

Ben Carp ran a Legacy tournament and guaranteed the following:

Quote from: Ben Carp Legacy Tournament Prizes
25/25/25 rule:
Legacy 25-proxy unsanctioned tournament
$0.25 for each proxy after 25
$25 CASH entry
All proxies must follow these guidelines

1st Place = 4 Tarmogoyf AND 4 Polluted Delta
2nd Place = 4 Sea Drake OR 4 Underground Sea
3rd/4th Place = Chinese foil Tendrils of Agony OR 2 Tropical Island
5th-8th place = Plateau OR UL Lich OR Italian Reset
These prizes are GUARANTEED regardless of attendance.

I believe he got at least 20 people for his event
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2008, 08:38:45 am »

I got 24.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2008, 12:51:39 am »

Does anyone else feel that a $25 entry fee is a bit much? The higher that entry fee goes the less I'm willing to go. I understand that this affects prize support which does matter to a lot of people. I for one am pretty new to the Legacy format and am not that interested in dropping $25 to get my head smashed in. I imagine that this may affect some others that are contemplating the decision to attend as well. Just my 2 cents. Either way, thanks for getting tournaments going in the Chicagoland area again.
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2008, 12:18:34 pm »

Quite honestly, 25 dollar entry fees are the new 20.
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2008, 03:40:06 pm »

Owen T. and Myself were at a tourney that they refused to run.  Normally I wouldnt care too much but it is almost two hours each way plus me getting up early on the weekends.
Josh, these are the kinds of things I was alluding to in my post about not feeling bad about not making it to the last Pastimes event. I've also been at multiple events on site where the entry fee was increased from what was advertised online. Shady things like this are what keep people away from Pastimes in general, no matter the format. That being said, I'll try to make it to this event if I'm able.

Does anyone else feel that a $25 entry fee is a bit much? The higher that entry fee goes the less I'm willing to go. I understand that this affects prize support which does matter to a lot of people. I for one am pretty new to the Legacy format and am not that interested in dropping $25 to get my head smashed in. I imagine that this may affect some others that are contemplating the decision to attend as well. Just my 2 cents. Either way, thanks for getting tournaments going in the Chicagoland area again.
Ben Carp's tournament was $25; this tournament is being advertised in Josh's post as $20.

Regarding prize and tournament structure, I'd recommend trying this:
$20 tournament entry, with a sliding guaranteed prize scale, based on number of entrants. For example:
- With 8-19 entrants @ $20 each, give out the following guaranteed prizes:
1st place - 4 blue dual lands* + 4 Polluted Delta or 4 Flooded Strands, or $160 in store credit
2nd place - 4 blue dual lands,* or $100 in store credit
3rd place - 4 Wooded Foothills, or 4 Bloodstained Mire, or $50 in store credit
4th place - 4 Wooded Foothills, or 4 Bloodstained Mire, or $50 in store credit

- With 20-29 entrants @ $20 each, give out the following guaranteed prizes:
1st place - 4 blue dual lands* + 4 Tarmogoyfs or 4 Force of Wills or 4 non-blue dual lands, or $180 in store credit
2nd place - 4 blue dual lands,* or 4 Wooded Foothills + 4 Bloodstained Mires, or $100 in store credit
3rd place - 4 Polluted Delta, or 4 Flooded Strand, or $60 in store credit
4th place - 4 Polluted Delta, or 4 Flooded Strand, or $60 in store credit
5th-8th place - choice of 2 non-blue fetchlands, or 1 dual land* of choice

- With 30+ entrants @ $20 each, give out the following guaranteed prizes:
1st place - 4 blue dual lands* + 4 Tarmogoyf or 4 Force of Will or 4 non-blue dual lands, or $225 in store credit
2nd place - 4 Force of Will or non-blue dual lands + 4 Wooded Foothills or 4 Bloodstained Mire, or $125 in store credit
3rd place - 4 non-blue dual lands, or 4 Tarmogoyf, or 4 Force of Will, or $80 in store credit
4th place - 4 non-blue dual lands, or 4 Tarmogoyf, or 4 Force of Will, or $80 in store credit
5th-10th place - choice of 2 non-blue fetchlands, or 1 dual land* of choice

* = not including Underground Sea

Paying down further in standings also attracts more people, in my experience, as they usually have a better tournament experience even if they don't get 1st or 2nd place (where the normally very top heavy prizes have been). That may attract more of your regular Extended/Standard constructed players to attend as well. The thing I proposed seems like good prizes based on number of entrants to attract people, while the store should still be able to cover costs and not lose money. What do you think?

EDIT: Also, you really need to advertise/post these tournaments on other websites ASAP too, in order to attract the turnout you're hoping for.
1) The Source - http://mtgthesource.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13
2) StarCityGames
3) MTGSalvation
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2008, 03:43:19 pm »

Owen T. and Myself were at a tourney that they refused to run.  Normally I wouldnt care too much but it is almost two hours each way plus me getting up early on the weekends.
Josh, these are the kinds of things I was alluding to in my post about not feeling bad about not making it to the last Pastimes event. I've also been at multiple events on site where the entry fee was increased from what was advertised online. Shady things like this are what keep people away from Pastimes in general, no matter the format. That being said, I'll try to make it to this event if I'm able.

Does anyone else feel that a $25 entry fee is a bit much? The higher that entry fee goes the less I'm willing to go. I understand that this affects prize support which does matter to a lot of people. I for one am pretty new to the Legacy format and am not that interested in dropping $25 to get my head smashed in. I imagine that this may affect some others that are contemplating the decision to attend as well. Just my 2 cents. Either way, thanks for getting tournaments going in the Chicagoland area again.
Ben Carp's tournament was $25; this tournament is being advertised in Josh's post as $20.

Regarding prize and tournament structure, I'd recommend trying this:
$20 tournament entry, with a sliding guaranteed prize scale, based on number of entrants. For example:
- With 8-19 entrants @ $20 each, give out the following guaranteed prizes:
1st place - 4 blue dual lands* + 4 Polluted Delta or 4 Flooded Strands, or $160 in store credit
2nd place - 4 blue dual lands,* or $100 in store credit
3rd place - 4 Wooded Foothills, or 4 Bloodstained Mire, or $50 in store credit
4th place - 4 Wooded Foothills, or 4 Bloodstained Mire, or $50 in store credit

- With 20-29 entrants @ $20 each, give out the following guaranteed prizes:
1st place - 4 blue dual lands* + 4 Tarmogoyfs or 4 Force of Wills or 4 non-blue dual lands, or $180 in store credit
2nd place - 4 blue dual lands,* or 4 Wooded Foothills + 4 Bloodstained Mires, or $100 in store credit
3rd place - 4 Polluted Delta, or 4 Flooded Strand, or $60 in store credit
4th place - 4 Polluted Delta, or 4 Flooded Strand, or $60 in store credit
5th-8th place - choice of 2 non-blue fetchlands, or 1 dual land* of choice

- With 30+ entrants @ $20 each, give out the following guaranteed prizes:
1st place - 4 blue dual lands* + 4 Tarmogoyf or 4 Force of Will or 4 non-blue dual lands, or $225 in store credit
2nd place - 4 Force of Will or non-blue dual lands + 4 Wooded Foothills or 4 Bloodstained Mire, or $125 in store credit
3rd place - 4 non-blue dual lands, or 4 Tarmogoyf, or 4 Force of Will, or $80 in store credit
4th place - 4 non-blue dual lands, or 4 Tarmogoyf, or 4 Force of Will, or $80 in store credit
5th-10th place - choice of 2 non-blue fetchlands, or 1 dual land* of choice

* = not including Underground Sea

Paying down further in standings also attracts more people, in my experience, as they usually have a better tournament experience even if they don't get 1st or 2nd place (where the normally very top heavy prizes have been). That may attract more of your regular Extended/Standard constructed players to attend as well. The thing I proposed seems like good prizes based on number of entrants to attract people, while the store should still be able to cover costs and not lose money. What do you think?

EDIT: Also, you really need to advertise/post these tournaments on other websites ASAP too, in order to attract the turnout you're hoping for.
1) The Source - http://mtgthesource.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13
2) StarCityGames
3) MTGSalvation



Never in my personal experience has Pastimes ever outright refused to run an event if 8 or more people have shown up.  It is possible that we tried to change the prize structure, but even then if it has been advertised, we adhere to it.  For this last Vintage event there was a communication error between the store manager and myself causing our website to not be updated with the 25/25/25 rule.  This should no longer be a problem either as I now have admin privileges on the website.  If you could specifically tell me the circumstances under which this happened, I would be very interested to hear them.

Regardless, I'm the one responsible for events now, so it's a new ballgame.  Thanks for telling me where people check for tournies.  I'm supposed to look into that stuff.  How do people find out about the CoD tournaments?  That was a problem for us last weekend with the Vintage event.

All that being said, I'm always open to input on how to change these events so more people will come and so you'll all have more fun, so please keep the suggestions coming.
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2008, 03:44:19 pm »

The prizes are a little light for me to drive from Wisconsin.  Also are these garaunteed, because I know in the past Pastimes has said they are and then they didnt run the tournament when they didnt get the amount of people they wanted.

Would people rather it be $25 and have better prizes?  I'll do the math and see how this stacks up to our vintage event last weekend.
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