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Frostmage18
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« on: January 02, 2009, 03:58:01 am »

There are not many Vintage players where I am, but I would still like to play it. I'm not a newb to Magic in general, but I am to competitive type 1 play. I wanted to try to run this deck, but I don't know if it would be able to hold its own in type 1 if I modified it.  If someone could take a look at the decklist, that would be cool.  I don't have a lot of the power yet, but I'm not sure what to take out and keep in etc.  The point of the deck is to get fastbond and horn of greed out and to search through the deck until you have the proper cards to kill your opponent.  I can usually defend against counters etc. with orim's chant and Academy Rector, and sideboard against them.  I'm really not so sure of what to do with the sideboard either...

3x Academy Rector
1x Zuran Orb
2x Crucible of Worlds
4x Horn of Greed
1x scroll rack
1x fastbond
2x seal of cleansing
1x Necropotence
1x crop rotation
1x demonic tutor
1x cruel tutor
1x vampiric tutor
1x imperial seal
1x beseech the queen
1x grim tutor
1x enlightened tutor
2x diabolic intent
4x dark ritual
1x regrowth
4x orim's chant
3x Oboro, Palace in the Clouds
1x Barbarian Ring
4x Bayou
2x glacial chasm
4x city of brass
4x Savannah
3x scrubland
1x strip mine
4x Windswept heath

sideboard
4x Xantid Swarm
1x Academy Rector
4x cabal therapy
2x diabolic intent
1x living Wish
1x Krosan Reclamation
1x balance
1x glacial chasm


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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2009, 01:08:51 pm »

Turboland is one of those decks that tends to hover below the level of competitiveness, but it depends on what meta you are looking at.

Any time Stax is doing well Turboland becomes much better, while any time that Long is doing well Turboland becomes weaker.

I usually have as many as 5 Turboland variants sleeved up and test them fairly regularly.  The one that is testing best right now is this:

Turbo Oath
4 City Of Brass
4 Forbidden Orchard
4 Gemstone Mine
1 Barbarian Ring
1 Nomad Stadium
4 Ancient Tomb
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
1 Bazaar Of Baghdad
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Black Lotus
4 Crucible Of Worlds
4 Null Rod
2 Hellkite Overloard
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Imperial Seal
1 Raven's Crime
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Time Walk
4 Intuition
1 Ancestral Recall
4 Oath Of Druids
1 Fastbond
1 Life From The Loam
1 Regrowth
1 Krosan Reclamation
4 Argivian Find
1 Enlightened Tutor
sideboard
1 Trinisphere
4 Leyline Of The Void
1 Wheel Of Sun And Moon
1 Flame Jab
1 Ancient Grudge
4 Duress
1 Thoughtseize
1 Choke
1 Ray Of Revelation

Cruel Tutor is bad.  Do not run it.   A second Beseach the Queen would probably be better, but I am not sure that is right either.

It looks like you are trying to go budget, so Recall, Walk and Lotus are out of the question.  That said, you are probably better off selling Imperial Seal and Grim Tutor to buy an Ancestral Recall.  Imperial Seal and Grim Tutor are solid cards, but that can be replaced by cards almost as good.  Meanwhile, there is really no replacement for Ancestral Recall.

Against Storm combo you have Orim's Chant which is good, but you also give them extra draw with Horn of Greed.  Your only other disruption is Strip Mine.  4 Orim's Chant and Strip Mine are not enough to significantly slow down Storm Combo and I doubt you can reliably race them.  This issue will need to be addressed in one form or another.

Exploration is a solid card in conjunction with Horn of Greed.  The two function as a draw engine together.  Also Exploration can help accelerate out an Academy Rector.  If you go the Exploration route then more Crucibles and a Fetch mana base start to look better so you are never missing your land drops.  Once Crucibles are added then between Crucibles and Explorations a full set of Wastelands start to look good.

If you are trying to create a deck to compete with powered decks then you realy should look at adding Null Rod.  Null Rod has some huge advantages for you.  First it is mana denial that plays well with Strip Mine.  Second it shuts off Tormod's Crypt which is huge since your combo needs the graveyard.  Third it only shuts off your Zuran Orb and Scroll Rack.  I would definitely suggest a full set of Null Rods.  By the way, I hate Zuran Orb as a card.  Both Nomad Stadium and Glacial Chasm are better in my opinion.  I love Scroll Rack, but it is much worse in a deck with Rods obviously.

For the sideboard I would suggest adding Leyline of the Void since you can find it with Rector.
Also, Sphere of Resistance and Duress effects are pretty good against Long.

The Diabolic Intent + Academy Rector combo is a very powercombo that gets two combo pieces, but I imagine it is tough to assemble with so few of each.  I wonder if you would be better off trying to Oath up Rector with a rainbow base.  Then Rector could grab Fastbond or Yawgmoth's Bargain.  As long as you have Zuran Orb, Bargain seems pretty good.

If you run Oath of Druids then you can also run Cabal Therapy to sacrifice your Rector too.  Therapy is nice in that it is decent against Long and you could add Duress and/or Thoughtseize instead of Orim's Chant and in that manner your Therapies might not always be blind.

Another advantage of Oath of Druids is that it provides some flexibility in terms of alternate wins.  Post board you could bring in Overloard or other non graveyard related creatures to doges Graveyard hate or Root Maze or other cards that hate out Turboland.

If you go the Oath route then annother option is to run Rasputin Dreamweaver and Recoup along with Replenish.  The idea would be to Oath up Rasputin and then use the 7 mana he gives you to Recoup Replenish and get Fastbond and Bargain all at once.

Good luck on your deck!  I look forward to seeing how it develops.
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2009, 05:21:53 pm »

Alright I'll take a look into those cards, thanks so much for your assistance.
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