Platinum Oath

[honestabe]

Creatures
2x Platinum Angel

Enchantments
4x Oath of Druids                                               

Instants
4x Force of Will                                                 
2x Mana Drain
2x Impulse                                                           
1x Vampiric Tutor                                               
1x Intuition
1x Brainstorm
2x Misdirection                                                 
1x Oxidize                                                             
1x Yagomoth's Will                                               
1x Frantic Search                                               
1x Mystical Tutor                                             
2x Lim Dul’s Vault    
3x Pact of Negation
1x Ancestral Recall

Sorceries
4x Duress                                                         
1x Ponder                                                         
1x Tinker
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Time Walk
                                       
Artifacts
1x Lotus Petal
1x Black Lotus                                       
1x Mox Saphire                                         
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Emerald
1x Sensei’s Divining Top                           
2x Scroll Rack

Land
4x Forbidden Orchard                                 
1x Strip Mine                                             
3x Polluted delta
2x Underground Sea
2x Bayou
3x Gemstone Mine
1x Seat of the Synod                                 
1x Island

Side Board
1x Akroma, Angel of Fury
1x Darksteel Colossus
2x Engineered Explosives
2x Oxidize
2x Chalice of the Void
2x Pithing Needle
2x Extirpate
2x Tormod’s Crypt



After playing against some real type 1 decks for the first time at ELD's Weekly vintage, I came to the realization that aggro Oath is dead, and if it isn't, then it should be.
Platinum Angel has the best ability ever, so there it is.

Get her out with tinker, or Oath and then just control, control, control until the game is over

[Fester]

If aggro oath is dead then why choose Plat over Tidespout?

Doesn't the double blue requirement of Mana Drain conflict with the black cards enough to the point where Negate may be better?  What do you drain into anyway in this build?

Bayou's instead of Trops?

Is this even an honest attempt at taking Oath in a better direction?

What happened to your attempt at http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=37019.0.

Reread http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=35895.0

[neverlookback]

If aggro oath is dead then why choose Plat over Tidespout?

Doesn't the double blue requirement of Mana Drain conflict with the black cards enough to the point where Negate may be better?  What do you drain into anyway in this build?

Bayou's instead of Trops?

Is this even an honest attempt at taking Oath in a better direction?

What happened to your attempt at http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=37019.0.

Reread http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=35895.0

im going to agree here, tidespout is a much better control card, plats is just flashy, the increase in artifact hate makes it even worse

[LotusHead]

Platz lets one play with Pact of Negation, which is an advantage over Tidespout Tyrant.

But truth be told, I've usually lost whenever Tyrant hit the field (I play shops), however, Tyrant Oath lost a lot in the bannhammer of June.

[Suicideking]

First I would contest that aggro oath is dead.  Ive played in 3 tournaments and lost two matches, and Ive given my list to three friends and they won, got 3rd, and top8d. 

But if you feel like you need to go into a different direction thats fine.  Ive also played the platinum angel version of oath quite a bit.  Maindeck oxidize isn't needed.  You will need to run either a third platz or a gaeas blessing.  Platinum angel is incredibly vulnerable and with everyone packing ancient grudges main and other random artifact hate you will have issues.  The main flaw this deck has is that you will burn through you protection to get oath on board and then your opponent will just bounce or kill the angel.

Frantic search is way worse then impulse in this deck.  You cant abuse frantic search when you have gemstone mines and forbidden orchards.  Seat of the synod seems like a bad choice considering the null rods floating around right now.

You will want to consider a card like trinisphere because combo is just going to go off in your face and find a way to bounce platz.  You have some protection but tps is more then equiped to go off when all they have to do is get rid of one artifact.

Lim-duls vault is probably worse then just running the other impulses.

Overall when constructed well this deck may look good on paper but it doesnt do well.  Most decks are equiped to handle platinum angel, which is why more decks don't try to use him.

[honestabe]

Here's my beef with tidespout

One Chalice of the Void shuts it down.

I will take into consideration that frantic search is a bad idea with gemstone mines.....

I also am brainstormung ways to keep Platinum angel safe


Any ideas?

[Fester]

Here's my beef with tidespout

One Chalice of the Void shuts it down.

Care to explain why?

The deck has plenty of CCs.

[LotusHead]

Here's my beef with tidespout

One Chalice of the Void shuts it down.

Care to explain why?

The deck has plenty of CCs.

I'll explain.
Player A just Oathed up a Tyrant. Player B has Chalice of the void in play (lets say, at 0)
Player A plays a BLACK LOTUS, which gets countered by Chalice, then Player A uses the Tyrant's ability to bounce the Chalice, then play Tormod's Crypt (or Brainstorm or Flash of Insight or anything), bounce something else at his leisure.

Tyrant does not fear permanents, only resolved REB or Diabolit Edict and the like.

[Guli]

Here's my beef with tidespout

One Chalice of the Void shuts it down.

Care to explain why?

The deck has plenty of CCs.

I'll explain.
Player A just Oathed up a Tyrant. Player B has Chalice of the void in play (lets say, at 0)
Player A plays a BLACK LOTUS, which gets countered by Chalice, then Player A uses the Tyrant's ability to bounce the Chalice, then play Tormod's Crypt (or Brainstorm or Flash of Insight or anything), bounce something else at his leisure.

Tyrant does not fear permanents, only resolved REB or Diabolit Edict and the like.

This is not always the case. You have to be able to target the permanent and also be able to cast a spell.

[LotusHead]

tyrant can cast a spell and still trigger the bounce effect. the spell doesn't have to resolve.
Tyrant fears almost nothing.

[Guli]

tyrant can cast a spell and still trigger the bounce effect. the spell doesn't have to resolve.
Tyrant fears almost nothing.

I meant that you just can't play a spell because of an effect like orim's chant or cards like teeg and canonist who limit your spells.

[Tha Gunslinga]

tyrant can cast a spell and still trigger the bounce effect. the spell doesn't have to resolve.
Tyrant fears almost nothing.

I meant that you just can't play a spell because of an effect like orim's chant or cards like teeg and canonist who limit your spells.

None of those are relevant.  No one really plays Chant.  Teeg shuts off X spells and 4 and up, so you can just play virtually anything and bounce it if it's an issue.  Canonist doesn't cut off artifacts, so you could just storm infinitely with two moxen and then play Brain Freeze, or you could just, you know, bounce the Canonist, then do whatever.   You guys are seriously underrating Tyrant, which while no longer the best Oath package is nevertheless still good.

[mr.grim]

i will agree with sui-king!!!!!!

this deck was the first oath deck i played and i feel the worst.
Tyrant oath is better
Hellkite/angel/Bg oath is better.

all  i got to say is how do you prepare/defend against wipe away?

[Fester]

all  i got to say is how do you prepare/defend against wipe away?

You side in SSS against fish.  Otherwise you just play through it with Lat Nam's, return it to library with TFK/Oath-GB or Scroll Rack.

EDIT:

Also if you went aggro in the beginning and got an early Spout there's a chance you can just keep them off double blue.

Either way Tide>>>>>Plat was my point.

[mr.grim]

and then in game 2,you now have sss in and the pacts become junk.........
tho if ya had tyrant or kite in the first game you would be one up on the set

[Fester]

Getting to play Pacts as a protection measure with an oathed up Plat doesn't seem good enough to overcome the inability of Pact to help force through the initial Oath.

[senpai]

You can definitely use pacts to get the first oath through. just have the pact trigger go on the stack first, and than the oath trigger so that you get to oath in angel before you (don't) pay for the pact.

[Guli]

tyrant can cast a spell and still trigger the bounce effect. the spell doesn't have to resolve.
Tyrant fears almost nothing.

I meant that you just can't play a spell because of an effect like orim's chant or cards like teeg and canonist who limit your spells.

None of those are relevant.  No one really plays Chant.  Teeg shuts off X spells and 4 and up, so you can just play virtually anything and bounce it if it's an issue.  Canonist doesn't cut off artifacts, so you could just storm infinitely with two moxen and then play Brain Freeze, or you could just, you know, bounce the Canonist, then do whatever.   You guys are seriously underrating Tyrant, which while no longer the best Oath package is nevertheless still good.

I didn't say Tyrant was bad, in fact he is the most scary thing that can happen. But I do played a lot against Oath and usually it is important that you stop Force so you can stp or reb tyrant, canonist helps. I don't think you actually believe the statement yourself that 'they do nothing'.

A turn 1 oath with token causing a tyrant the next turn is extremely hard to deal with. I prefer to fight an Angel in most cases.

[Nehptis]

Oath just isn't Tier 1 anymore since the restrictions occured.  The Gush Bond engine made Oath and other decks crazy good.  But, what hurt the most is the long overdue restriction of Brainstorm.  We took for granted that Oath's real combo wasn't just Oath + Orchard.  It was Oath + BS + Orchard.

If you are going to play Oath then King Oath (Hellkite) is the best version out there.  But unless you are King I wouldn't plan on seeing many top 8s.  If you want to win and enjoy playing Control Combo decks, then play Tezz.

I hope that Future sets bring Oath some useful cards.  But, for now Oath is just too weak to play.

[Fester]

If you are going to play Oath then King Oath (Hellkite) is the best version out there.  But unless you are King I wouldn't plan on seeing many top 8s.  If you want to win and enjoy playing Control Combo decks, then play Tezz.

Yeah I agree with this to a certain extent.  Suggesting that Oath is a suboptimal control combo deck is correct.  However, King's Oath plays like a tuned machine where it's only objectives are to: survive until Oath hits, get Oath on the table as fast as possible and protect the win.  That's nowhere near "Control Combo".  Also, many T8's are not out of the question given that Oath has such huge strategic advantage over common vintage decks.

The choice of creature just comes down to what you think provides the most likely chance of winning.  I believe that Spout provides a better chance at securing the win then Plat does.  Spout screws with your opponent the turn it drops, it's not an artifact, it can be pitched to FoW and it wins a turn sooner then Plat does.

In what matchups does Oath have where Plat is strictly better then Spout?  Are there any matchups where the opposing deck just scoops to Oath/Trinketed Plat?

EDIT:

I also had not considered being able to use the Oath trigger in response to Pact trigger.  My bad.

[honestabe]

Oath just isn't Tier 1 anymore since the restrictions occured.  The Gush Bond engine made Oath and other decks crazy good.  But, what hurt the most is the long overdue restriction of Brainstorm.  We took for granted that Oath's real combo wasn't just Oath + Orchard.  It was Oath + BS + Orchard.

If you are going to play Oath then King Oath (Hellkite) is the best version out there.  But unless you are King I wouldn't plan on seeing many top 8s.  If you want to win and enjoy playing Control Combo decks, then play Tezz.

I hope that Future sets bring Oath some useful cards.  But, for now Oath is just too weak to play.

Agreed.  I began my initial Oath deck, about a month before Brainstorm was restricted.  It was phenominal, but without three brainsotrms, it just hurts too bad.  The best thing to happen to Oath in a while is Hellkite Overlord, which really doesn't help the deck too much.  I have a feeling that I'm going to have to put Oath on hold, until Brainstorm gets unrestricted (doubt that's going to happen) or until a new hope for oath is printed.