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« on: January 14, 2009, 11:15:40 pm »

Hello, first off I would like to apologize for not doing these way sooner I saw on the boards people were pretty anxious so I apologize. Secondly, at the end of the tournament I forgot to print final standings so I don't have the decklists in order of who won and I can't remember the exact pairings of the top 8 only that Travis Spero took it down with Adnauseam. Congratulations Trav and thanks to everyone who attended. Now on to what everyone cares about:

Ad Nauseam
Travis Spero

1 Strand
1 Demonic
1 Trop
4 Ad Naus
2 Sea
4 Duress
1 Ponder
4 Delta
4 Dark Rit
4 Cabal Rit
1 Sol Ring
2 Chain of Vapor
4 Chrome Mox
2 Tendrils
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Mana Crypt
1 Vamp Tutor
1 Yawgs Will
1 Mystical
1 Island
1 Mana Vault
1 Petal
1 Recall
1 Top
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Academy
1 Lotus
1 Mox Jet
2 Swamp
1 Imperial Seal
1 Hurkyl's
1 Desire
2 Thoughtseize
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Brainstorm
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Merchant Scroll

Sideboard:

4 Yixlid Jailer
2 Extirpate
4 Dark Confidant
3 Goyf

Noble Lilliestierna
Tezzeret

4 Force
3 Thirst
4 Drain
2 Tezzeret
1 Echoing Truth
1 Time Walk
1 Time Vault
1 Yawgs Will
1 Recall
1 Sol Ring
1 Tinker
1 Pearl
1 Misdirection
1 Sapphire
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Vamp Tutor
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Emerald
1 Jet
1 Duress
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Brainstorm
1 Petal
1 Lotus
1 Top
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Mystical
1 Voltaic Key
1 Ponder
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Platinum Angel
1 Transmute Artifact
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Regrowth
1 Thoughtseize
1 Ruby
1 Library
1 Academy
1 Island
1 Snow Island
1 Trop
3 Sea
3 Delta
3 Strand

Sideboard:

2 Extirpate
1 Tormod's Crypt
3 Yixlid Jalier
2 Pithing Needle
1 Trop
4 Goyf
2 Energy Flux

"Barn TPS"
Corey Fineman

4 Force
1 Misdirection
4 Dark Ritual
2 Cabal Ritual
5 Mox
1 Sol Ring
1 Petal
1 Lotus
1 Mana Vault
1 Mana Crypt
1 Memory Jar
2 Sea
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Snow Swamp
1 Snow Island
4 Delta
1 Strand
1 Necro
1 Bargain
1 Desire
1 Yawgs Will
1 Gifts
1 Relearn
1 Timetwister
1 Recall
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Grim Tutor
1 Tinker
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Rebuild
1 Vamp Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Imperial Seal
1 Darksteel Colossus
1 Barnstorm
1 Ponder
3 Duress
1 Thoughtseize
1 Academy
1 Tendrils

Sideboard:

3 Pithing Needle
2 Thoughtseize
1 Hurkyl's
2 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Thrashing Wumpus
1 Slaughter Pact
3 Cranial Extraction
1 Massacre

"Blue's For Little Girls"
Shaun Piazza

1 Petal
1 Ruby
1 Jet
1 Emerald
1 Pearl
1 Lotus
4 Goyf
3 Canonist
3 Dark Confidant
3 Gaddock Teeg
4 Mesmeric Fiend
4 Aether Vial
4 Thoughtseize
4 Living Wish
3 Wild Nacatl
2 Tidehollow Sculler
2 Tin Street Hooligan
2 Mogg Fanatic

2 Heath
2 Mire
4 Foothills
3 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Taiga
1 Savannah
1 Bayou
1 Scrubland

Sideboard:

1 Wasteland
1 Grim Lavamancer
1 Kataki
1 Dark Confidant
1 Stingscourger
1 Tin Street
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Mogg Fanatic
1 Ethersworn Cannonist
1 Jailer
3 Reb
2 Pyroblast
1 Shriekmaw

"AntiStorm Bomberman"
Jon Golden

1 Academy
1 Tolaria West
1 Plains
4 Island
2 Tundra
4 Strand
1 Aether Spellbomb
1 Mana Vault
5 Mox
1 Sol Ring
1 Petal
1 Lotus
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Mana Crypt
1 Engineered Explosives
3 Ethersworn Cannonist
4 Trinket Mage
3 Auriok Salvagers
1 Darksteel Colossus
2 Intuition
1 Brainstorm
4 Negate
1 Tinker
4 Thirst For Knowledge
4 Force
1 Recall
3 Mystic Remora
2 Trickbind
1 Time Walk

Sideboard:

3 Tormod's Crypt
2 Pithing Needle
1 Engineered Explosives
3 Meddling Mage
1 Auriok Salvagers
1 Echoing Truth
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Meekstone
1 Library
1 Swords

Ichorid
Phillip Epstein

3 Dryad Arbor
3 Petrified Field
4 Bazaar of Baghdad

1 Angel of Despair
2 Flame Kin Zealot
2 Cephalid Sage
4 Narcomoeba
4 Grave Troll
4 Ichorid
4 Golgari Thug
4 Stinkweed

3 Leyline of the Void
3 Dread Return
4 Chalice
4 Unmask
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Serum Powder
4 Bridge From Below

Sideboard:

3 Chain of Vapor
2 Windswept Heath
2 Tropical Island
2 Ancient Grudge
3 Reverent Silence
2 Riftstone Portal
1 Bayou

Ichorid
Chris Meier

4 Grave Troll
4 Chalice
2 Dread Return
4 Therapy
4 Bridge From Below
4 Stinkweed
4 City of Brass
4 Unmask
4 Ichorid
3 Petrified Field
4 Serum Powder
4 Narcomoeba
4 Bazaar
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Darkblast
3 Golgari Thug
1 Eternal Witness
1 Sundering Titan
1 Angel of Despair

Sideboard:

2 Ingot Chewer
2 Wispmare
4 Chain of Vapor
3 Contagion
1 Pithing Needle
3 Gemstone Mine

RG Beatz
Duncan Anderson

4 Goyf
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Simian Spirit Guide
1 Black Lotus
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Null Rod
4 Chalice
4 Pyroblast
4 Seal of Primordium
4 Stingscourger
1 Mountain
2 Snow Mountain
2 Snow Forest
1 Forest
4 Taiga
4 Foothills
4 Wasteland
4 1 Strip Mine

Sideboard:

2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Trinisphere
3 Pyrokinesis
3 Ancient Grudge
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Pithing Needle




Once again sorry about the delay,

Brennen
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2009, 11:25:33 pm »

Wow, congrats again to Travis.  It looks like your moving closer and closer to include more big blue bombs, which increases the complexity of the deck, but gives you perhaps more consistency? 

Also: yay at another copy of my RG beatz deck making top 8!

Also, how many players competed? 
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2009, 09:11:36 am »

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RG Beatz
Duncan Anderson

4 Goyf
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Simian Spirit Guide
1 Black Lotus
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Null Rod
4 Chalice
4 Pyroblast
4 Seal of Primordium
4 Stingscourger
1 Mountain
2 Snow Mountain
2 Snow Forest
1 Forest
4 Taiga
4 Foothills
4 Wasteland
4 1 Strip Mine

Sideboard:

2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Trinisphere
3 Pyrokinesis
3 Ancient Grudge
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Pithing Needle

If this guy gets a chance to post a play report, I'd be very interested in reading it.
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2009, 09:19:06 am »

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Ad Nauseam
Travis Spero

1 Strand
1 Demonic
1 Trop
4 Ad Naus
2 Sea
4 Duress
1 Ponder
4 Delta
4 Dark Rit
4 Cabal Rit
1 Sol Ring
2 Chain of Vapor
4 Chrome Mox
2 Tendrils
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Mana Crypt
1 Vamp Tutor
1 Yawgs Will
1 Mystical
1 Island
1 Mana Vault
1 Petal
1 Recall
1 Top
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Academy
1 Lotus
1 Mox Jet
2 Swamp
1 Imperial Seal
1 Hurkyl's
1 Desire
2 Thoughtseize
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Brainstorm
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Merchant Scroll

Sideboard:

4 Yixlid Jailer
2 Extirpate
4 Dark Confidant
3 Goyf

I have a couple quick questions about this list too if the pilot who played it gets a chance to answer them.  How do you utilize Gifts in your deck?  Have you considered Intuition instead?  It will allow you to get 3 Ad Naus so you don't lose 5 life to a flip later when you finally cast one.  Also, why only 13 cards in your sideboard?

Peace,

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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2009, 10:56:28 am »

the SB is missing 2 pithing needle.

Gifts is stupid good and i would never cut it. i love giftsing for ad naus, acall, demonic, vampiric, or just 4x tutor, or mana, etc,etc.

intuition seems kinda good too, needs testing.


i was hoping this list wouldn't have been published Sad
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2009, 12:38:23 pm »

Jebus Brennen way to look out for Trav... that was a dick move fo sho!

Steve, I beleive there were 23 players in attendance.
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2009, 03:11:59 am »

There was twenty nine people. I did not mean to dick Trav over by any means. I posted in his thread for his last top 8 that I would eventually plus your preliminary list is in there already. Sorry Trav.

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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2009, 03:53:18 am »

If this guy gets a chance to post a play report, I'd be very interested in reading it.

This is entirely from memory, because my notes are scattered at best:

Round 1 TPS- Our state champ whose name I should remember.

He gets first/second turn necro games one and two, although I think I won the second with a quick magus null rod combination. Third game, my opponent mulled to five. Seems good. I then proceed to completely misplay by allowing a mystical tutor to resolve when I have SSS/REB in hand. I guess I was hoping to bluff not having anything in hopes that he would go for tinker, allowing me to blow him out. He of course goes for will and his double mull gets there.

0-1 bracket AKA exactly where this deck hates to be.

Round 2 Doran Aggro- Misty

This was against Misty, whose deck had grizzly bears to my grey ogres. Oh, and 5/5's for 3. I won the first game entirely on the fact that I drew one more tarmogoyf than she did and she never saw doran. Game two she draws doran and goyfs. Game 3 was really close, and probably hers had we both not been worn out after long games at this point. In turns, she vindicates a grey ogre, but she targeted the Simian Spirit Guide instead of the magus of the moon. As such, she doesn't have enough mana to cast another block and I manage to get in for the final two. These were long drawn out games and even with the additional pyrokinesis (which was Seek'd at least once) I was way behind. It's matchups like this that make a narrow meta-deck like this so risky to play.

Round 3 5c Stax- Marcus

Game one I have the first turn null rod, waste his workshop, and seal his crucible so. He gets down a few spheres, which are a huge problem because it means that neither of us can really play many spells. Except for my mogg fanatic. The Fanatic proceeds to beat him down to 5(!), until he finds a tolarian academy and manages to start casting spells. Game two/three one of these was tarmogoyf beatdown, and another was magus of the moon. Both were backed by appropriately set chalices and wastelands.

Round 4 TPS Steve

I remember virtually nothing about these games except they were pretty lopsided, involved mulligans on Steve's part, and I think I won in two. Steve might have better memory of this. I'm probably also mixing up the matches between Steve and Travis.

Round 5 Ichorid- Brett

Brett's an excellent player who has consistently played Ichorid to top finishes at these events. Because I know he's playing the deck, I already know that I'm practically planning to mulligan into wasteland. It's in my opening 7. How lucky, I believe that I first turn waste his bazaar every game this match.  I don't remember too many of the specifics, except that we were both pretty sloppy here. I've been out of magic for a few months and my basics are really rusty, including attacking my mogg fanatic into a sac-land game 1 which promptly became a dryad arbor and wound up completely wasting any ability to remove a bridge. He proceeds to miss the play of making me discard Stingscourger when it winds up resulting in me bouncing his zombie, getting in with tarmogoyf, then killing two bridges when I don't pay the echo. It's sloppy play all around, and I end up winning it in 3. But feeling dirty about it.

Quarter finals "AntiStorm Bomberman" Jon Golden

There may be a better matchup for this deck, but I haven't seen it. It helps to draw null rods and tarmogoyfs like a fiend, too. Brutal. It's an unfortunate pairing for Jon, to say the least.

Semi-finals Ad-Nas vs Travis

I think game one I have the option of playing a turn one chalice for 1 or a null rod. I know Travis is playing Ad Nas so I assume it's the menendian list with 4x chain as a necessary combo piece and bounce spell like I'd been testing against. In testing, chalice for 1 was, as such, basically unbeatable. Travis proceeds to play moxen, lotii, will, gg. Game two was turn 1 magus, turn 2 null rod, +10 turns where he never saw a basic land. Game three I keep risky hand and proceed to lose to double confidants. Sloppyness and exhaustion really got the better of me here.


I pick up a pithing needle for my troubles. Thanks to Costisick and Menendian for a solid deck, I know that if I were more solid with it there is little doubt that it could get me there. Still, the ichorid/doran matches were extremely shaky, I really don't think I had much right winning. And I still managed to lose to storm combo 2x. Shrug. I love meta-aggro decks like this, and wind up playing them despite our ability to build powered decks. With 15 proxies, this was a metagame choice, not a budgetary one. I highly recommend the deck to anyone with a good grasp of the format and fairly good luck. The black lotus was excellent here, though I didn't see any great reason to run moxen despite having plenty of proxy slots left. The REBs in the board seemed like the weakest cards, but I didn't mind being able to bring in 13 cards against Ichorid.

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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2009, 12:00:23 pm »

There was twenty nine people. I did not mean to dick Trav over by any means. I posted in his thread for his last top 8 that I would eventually plus your preliminary list is in there already. Sorry Trav.

Brennen

No worries buddy, it's my fault for not telling you to hold back! Oh well, I still think people will play TPS over Ad Naus (untill they test Ad Naus Smile )
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2009, 12:04:26 pm »

Thanks for the tournament results, Brennan. Could you post the final standings from this event including the Top 8 so that we can include these in the Vintage Rankings?
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2009, 12:20:08 pm »

If this guy gets a chance to post a play report, I'd be very interested in reading it.

This is entirely from memory, because my notes are scattered at best:


You went the whole day without playing a single Tez deck?  Incredible!  Don't sell yourself short on your play ability.  You beat a lot of decks that are bad matchups for you.  If you had to describe the most important thing you learned from playing this deck at that tournament, what would it be?

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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2009, 02:48:54 pm »

If I had to guess, I'd say there were about 4 tez decks at the tournament. Even with 15 proxies, that deck ain't cheap.

As for the most important lesson? I'd say that knowing what your opponent is playing is the single most important piece of tech you bring to a matchup. Against an unknown opponent it is virtually impossible to mulligan correctly, because the strenght of a given hand is highly matchup dependent. Even minor differences between decklists can wildly vary the strength of certain cards. This skewed testing because I knew what I was playing against backwards and forwards, and undoubtedly cost me me my semi-finals match. It seems particularly true for the meta-aggro decks, because when I've played storm/oath/flash variants the strength of the cards meant that I could virtually disregard the nuances of my opponents deck design and win off the strength of an arbitrarily busted hand. The problem with those decks is that when they hit targeted hate it just becomes so hard to win, and it's extremely hard to eek out any real advantage in the mirror. As such, R/G beats seemed like the best choice for a player like me who spends an ungodly amount of time going over decklists, forums and testing because the deck seems like it can just steamroll a narrow meta.
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2009, 02:09:56 pm »

Thanks for the tournament results, Brennan. Could you post the final standings from this event including the Top 8 so that we can include these in the Vintage Rankings?

I am going to email Chris the TO at Time Warp and hopefully he will be able to send the results soon because I don't have access to the computer I used to run the event, but as soon as I do I will post them.

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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2009, 02:59:51 pm »

All the Rankings committee needs to know is who lost to Travis and who finished in the top 4.   We don't need the exact order of 5th-8th or who was 3rd and who was 4th.   We just need enough information to award the proper number of points. 
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2009, 03:29:59 pm »

our top four was:

1. travis w/ ad nas.
2. shaun piazza with 4c fish
3. duncan w/ rg beatz
4. corey with tps


as for the match between wobbles and I, they were very lopsided. G1 I won on turn two. G2 I mulled to five, and he had then had the nuts. G3 was a pathetic affair. I keep my seven, fetch for a basic swamp, and imp seal for a dark rit. I have thrashing wumpus and lotus petal in hand. I dont get black lotus, because I am consciously aware of being afraid of chalice at 0 and null rod (to a lesser extent). I figure that wumpus can go all the way vs all the awkard 2/2s the deck plays, and trade 1 for 1 with a goyf if worst comes to worst. So i shuffle the dark rit on top, and pass. I grimace, hoping that he doesnt have a chalice at 0--for all my thinking of the correct play, I had spaced on dropping my petal . . .

he had a chalice, with a pyroblast to protect it. I didn't draw another non moxen mana source the rest of the game. SO, I lost first turn, to myself.
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