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Heya, Mark Mark Gottlieb just released a new set of oracle updates: http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/23c&page=2None of them are all that interesting except for Gilded Drake which now reads: Flying
When Gilded Drake comes into play, exchange control of Gilded Drake and up to one target creature an opponent controls. If you don't make an exchange, sacrifice Gilded Drake. This ability can't be countered except by spells and abilities. (This effect doesn't end at end of turn.)Let's hear it for more powerlevel errata roll-back! Peace, -Troy |
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2009, 05:16:02 pm » |
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I was looking through the comp rules changes, and I came across this:
410.12
This rule is being created to cover triggered abilities that trigger when a player loses the game. (They trigger when a player concedes and when a judge awards a player a game loss, as well as when a player loses for an in-game reason.)
If I'm reading that right, that means that if you have Lich's Mirror in play and a judge assigns you a game loss for whatever reason, that you just shuffle them up and draw a new grip, right?
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2009, 08:14:34 pm » |
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I was looking through the comp rules changes, and I came across this:
410.12
This rule is being created to cover triggered abilities that trigger when a player loses the game. (They trigger when a player concedes and when a judge awards a player a game loss, as well as when a player loses for an in-game reason.)
If I'm reading that right, that means that if you have Lich's Mirror in play and a judge assigns you a game loss for whatever reason, that you just shuffle them up and draw a new grip, right?
Lich's Mirror has a replacement ability, not a triggered ability. This rule does not apply to it. |
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2009, 09:21:21 pm » |
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I was looking through the comp rules changes, and I came across this:
410.12
This rule is being created to cover triggered abilities that trigger when a player loses the game. (They trigger when a player concedes and when a judge awards a player a game loss, as well as when a player loses for an in-game reason.)
If I'm reading that right, that means that if you have Lich's Mirror in play and a judge assigns you a game loss for whatever reason, that you just shuffle them up and draw a new grip, right?
Um, that would sort of break tournaments as we know them. It would make Lich's Mirror a one-card combo with cheating your brains out. |
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2009, 11:53:02 pm » |
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410.12
This rule is being created to cover triggered abilities that trigger when a player loses the game. (They trigger when a player concedes and when a judge awards a player a game loss, as well as when a player loses for an in-game reason.)
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It's probably for Blood Tyrant (see Conflux spoilers), which as an effect that triggers "whenever a player loses the game." It would be relevant in 2-Headed Giant.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2009, 12:18:45 am » |
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I'm pretty sure that people thought the same thing when platinum angel came out years ago. Like, imagine if you could just punch your opponent in the face, judge comes over and says something like sorry bro that dude has plats out  |
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2009, 02:43:55 am » |
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Over at salvation I got restricted for a month for making up rules questions for platnium angel.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2009, 01:33:43 pm » |
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Flying
When Gilded Drake comes into play, exchange control of Gilded Drake and up to one target creature an opponent controls. If you don't make an exchange, sacrifice Gilded Drake. This ability can't be countered except by spells and abilities. (This effect doesn't end at end of turn.)
Anybody else think the wording "This ability can't be countered except by spells and abilities" is janky as shit? Moreover, this now gives the opponent time to remove the target of exchange after you've declared the target - Relevant if they have more than 1 target and a way to get rid of only 1. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2009, 02:26:57 pm » |
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I'm still trying to figure out what, other than a spell or ability, might counter it.
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2009, 02:54:23 pm » |
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I'm still trying to figure out what, other than a spell or ability, might counter it.
The game rules because the target becomes illegal? |
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2009, 04:14:40 pm » |
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I'm still trying to figure out what, other than a spell or ability, might counter it.
The game rules because the target becomes illegal? Precisely. |
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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2009, 04:57:35 pm » |
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Now you can cast Gilded Drake and just Donate him to your opponent, if I'm reading this correctly. That's certainly not something the original wording allowed.
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2009, 09:32:30 pm » |
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Now you can cast Gilded Drake and just Donate him to your opponent, if I'm reading this correctly.
If that's the case, could this become a useful card for Oath? |
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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2009, 10:44:33 pm » |
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Now you can cast Gilded Drake and just Donate him to your opponent, if I'm reading this correctly.
If that's the case, could this become a useful card for Oath? So you can Oath into Gilded Drake 1/3 of the time? Doesn't seem a winner to me, just play Sleeper Agent instead. Now you can cast Gilded Drake and just Donate him to your opponent, if I'm reading this correctly. That's certainly not something the original wording allowed. The way I'm reading it, if you don't make an exchange, it dies, so if your opponent has no creature, it won't stay alive. From the explanation: 1) When Gilded Drake comes into play, its ability triggers. You must target a creature an opponent controls. If you can't choose a legal target, any other ability simply wouldn't go on the stack. In this case, however, you must sacrifice Gilded Drake. I'm guessing the "up to one creature" part is there just so the ability goes on the stack even with no legal target. |
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2009, 11:18:39 pm » |
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exchange control of Gilded Drake and up to one target creature an opponent controls. So I could exchange it with zero creatures my opponent controls. Of course you couldn't maindeck it in Oath, but you could run it as a sideboard card and run Living Wish. |
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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2009, 10:52:33 am » |
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Verdant Touch would be another option if you wanted more effects like that.
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2009, 11:00:44 am » |
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exchange control of Gilded Drake and up to one target creature an opponent controls. So I could exchange it with zero creatures my opponent controls. Of course you couldn't maindeck it in Oath, but you could run it as a sideboard card and run Living Wish. Yes, you could, but at that point, the other rule would kick in. If you don't make an exchange, sacrifice Gilded Drake. An exchange is a trade between two things, not between a creature and nothing, so it would get sacrificed. I see it as the same thing as Welder, you have to have both parts for an exchange to take place. |
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2009, 11:47:15 am » |
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I fail to see what new applications gilded drake has? Shouldn't this post be in the rules forum unless someone is suggesting a deck with it? (like i dunno, Drake Fish)
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2009, 06:07:41 pm » |
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I am under the impression that you can not trade, and then stifle the sacrifice trigger? Is this any different than it used to be? Is there a way to steal the creature and keep the drake? I don't think so, but it's worth asking.
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2009, 11:34:24 am » |
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I am under the impression that you can not trade, and then stifle the sacrifice trigger? Is this any different than it used to be? Is there a way to steal the creature and keep the drake? I don't think so, but it's worth asking.
Nop, no way to do that, the only difference is that you can now Stifle the CiPT and keep a 3/3 flying for a low cost of 1UU and 2 cards. Wow! |
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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2009, 12:25:58 pm » |
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I am under the impression that you can not trade, and then stifle the sacrifice trigger? Is this any different than it used to be? Is there a way to steal the creature and keep the drake? I don't think so, but it's worth asking.
Nop, no way to do that, the only difference is that you can now Stifle the CiPT and keep a 3/3 flying for a low cost of 1UU and 2 cards. Wow! And more importantly for Legacy, you can't use the Drake against Dreadstill as they run stifles. |
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