New Mox! CRYSTAL MOX

[BIO]

Crystal Mox
Artifact

Imprint - When Crystal Mox comes into play, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a nonartifact, nonland card. (The revealed card is imprinted on this artifact.) Remove from the game all cards revealed this way.

: Add one mana of any of the imprinted card's colors to your mana pool.


I think this will be a good addition to the currently existing mox cards. It's powerful enough to give you that boost you need and the drawback seems to be fair. With decks running tutors "outside the game", then this will be a great addition. Too broken? Your thoughts.

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v1.1 - 15 Feb. 2009

Crystal Mox
Artifact

Imprint - When Crystal Mox comes into play, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a multi-colored card. (The revealed card is imprinted on this artifact.) Remove from the game all cards revealed this way.

: Add one mana of any of the imprinted card's colors to your mana pool.


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v2.0 - 16 Feb. 2009

Crystal Mox
Artifact

, remove a nonartifact, nonland card in your hand from the game: Add one mana of any of the removed card's colors to your mana pool.

[ChaosOrb]

I like this idea a lot.  The fact that your going off the top of your library to find an imprint makes it viable.  There are some good combos to utlilize this as well.   

[Anusien]

So it's like Chrome Mox/Mox Diamond except that it doesn't cost you a second card?  Remind me again why Magic needs another effect like this?  There's literally no drawback other than "sometimes you get the wrong color of mana".  It would literally by an instant 4 of in every deck.

[andrewpate]

What if you just reveal the top card and it imprints?  Then the card does nothing if it was an artifact or a land.

Of course, this gets into the Stitch in Time problem, where even appropriately-costed coin flip cards see no play because you would rather bet on a sure thing, even if it has a lower expected payout.  Basically a limited form of the St. Petersburg Paradox.

So the result is essentially Anusien's point:  what hole is this filling?  Aside from the whole "moxes are cool" thing, why on earth would we want this around?

[OwenTheEnchanter]

they seem to have removed the pic I posed, just google Mox Crystal.

Promo prize for 5-color tournaments, pick a new name.

[Oath of Happy]

Yea, there is already a card called Mox Crystal that taps for colorless mana.  It's a promo with a silver border that's unplayable in Vintage.  You can name it Crystal Mox though.  Also, I think that if you hit an artifact it should tap for colorless, unless its a colored artifact like Mindlock Orb in which it would tap for blue (or the choice of colorless/blue).  This will potentially mill less cards, but will also create the drawback that you might not get colored mana.  If this card were printed it would be a one of in every deck, because it would surely have to be restricted.

[chrissss]

how about

"Until you reveil a multicolored card, imprint that on Chrystal mox.

  : add one mana of any of the imprinted colors cards to your mana pool.


Like this multicolored deck would be rewarded, and it won´t be broken in other formats.

[oneofchaos]

how about

"Until you reveil a multicolored card, imprint that on Chrystal mox.

  : add one mana of any of the imprinted colors cards to your mana pool.


Like this multicolored deck would be rewarded, and it won´t be broken in other formats.

Just what type 2 needs, more 5 color fixing!  Jeez, vivid lands + reflecting pool were bad, but giving the deck accel??

[Matt]

Actually, that's still really broken.

[chrissss]

How about:

When this card comes into play, target opponent searches your library for one non land non artifact card and that card is imprinted on Chrystal mox.

  : add one color of one of the imprinted cards colors to your mana pool.

Either way I don´t think any set ever needs another mox, because its just one of those cards that always get abused. I thought the mulitcolored one was better because it won´t be broken in vintage /legacy, and it would mainly give speedboosts to those who heavily use multicolored cards, which imo is a great thing. this version of the card is kinda the same, though it can be way too good in lets say sligh or stompy.

I think the only balanced moxes should give card disadvantage, like diamond or chrome, and even these gave decks boosts which were broken for many years.

[BIO]

So it's like Chrome Mox/Mox Diamond except that it doesn't cost you a second card?  Remind me again why Magic needs another effect like this?  There's literally no drawback other than "sometimes you get the wrong color of mana".  It would literally by an instant 4 of in every deck.

What if you just reveal the top card and it imprints?  Then the card does nothing if it was an artifact or a land.

Of course, this gets into the Stitch in Time problem, where even appropriately-costed coin flip cards see no play because you would rather bet on a sure thing, even if it has a lower expected payout.  Basically a limited form of the St. Petersburg Paradox.

So the result is essentially Anusien's point:  what hole is this filling?  Aside from the whole "moxes are cool" thing, why on earth would we want this around?

Guys, it says "nonartifact, nonland..." to ensure a colored card imprint like Chrome Mox. The drawback is "removed all the revealed cards from the game", so I guess it's quite a risk for multi-colored decks. But I'm pretty sure with matching tutors "from outside the game" cards as well as senseis would definitely maximize the benefit of this card.

I never heard of the Mox Crystal, so yeah, probably CRYSTAL MOX would be the next best name.

Yes, the clause "until you reveal a multi-colored card" quite reduces the brokenness of the card.

Allowing your opponent to look into your library early in the game would be too much of a drawback in my opinion, and with the number of R1 "key" cards in vintage, I'm pretty sure it won't see the light of day if this is the case.

How about a life-loss drawback equal to the number of revealed cards? Or the imprinted total converted mana cost, something to the effect of Dark Confidant?

[Oath of Happy]

So I take it you dont like the idea of an artifact imprinting for colorless?

[oneofchaos]

What happens with the cards that are revealed but aren't multicolored?  RFG?  Graveyard is just too broken.

[chrissss]

What happens with the cards that are revealed but aren't multicolored?  RFG?  Graveyard is just too broken.

Remove from the game all cards revealed this way.

[Anusien]

This card is fundamentally unplayable without a drawback more severe than some milling.

[Matt]

And by 'unplayable' he means 'extremely playable to the point of being a 4-of in most decks'.

One way to fix this would be to take the approach used when fixing dark ritual into Seething Song:

Fixed Mox

Artifact
, : Add and one mana of any color to your mana pool.


Or possibly:

Also Fixed Mox

Artifact
When ~this~ comes into play, choose a color.
: Add one mana of the chosen color to your mana pool.
Affinity for lands (This spell costs less for each land you control.)

You can have a mox, but if you get to use it on turn 1 it's too good unless you're giving up card advantage.

[Anusien]

I meant to say unprintable.

I would suggest making them Legendary (worked for Gemstone Caverns!) or taking Matt's suggestions.  But then these cards start to not be Moxen any more.

Fair mana accelerators = good
Moxen = bad

[BIO]

You can have a mox, but if you get to use it on turn 1 it's too good unless you're giving up card advantage.

Thanks for all the feedback. How about this?

Crystal Mox 

, remove a nonartifact, nonland card in your hand from the game: Add one mana of any of the removed card's colors to your mana pool.


It's a card disadvantage every use.

[chrissss]

i think that is fair indeed, though like this its way worse than a chrome mox.

[BIO]

i think that is fair indeed, though like this its way worse than a chrome mox.

Yup, "remove from the game" will make it worse than the Chrome Mox. But if we make it just a "discard" effect, it will definitely be broken.

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v2.1? --> Too broken?

Crystal Mox 

, discard a nonartifact, nonland card: Add one mana of any of the discarded card's colors to your mana pool.

[Anusien]

I would never want to play a card like that in any deck except possibly a combo deck.

What is your goal here?  What kind of decks do you want to be able to use this?  Where on the unplayable to fair to broken scale do you want this card to be?

[Matt]

You could also make a Mox analogue to my old, old card creation White Lotus:

Matt Mox

Artifact
: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool. This mana can't be used to play spells.

But maybe I just have Dragonsoul Knight on the brain...

[Oath of Happy]

I have 2 idea's for this card.

1.) 
Mox Crystal      0
Imprint - When Mox Crystal comes into play, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a nonland card. (The revealed card is imprinted on this artifact.) Remove from the game all cards revealed this way.  You lose life equal to the amount of cards revealed this way.

Tap: Add one mana of any of the imprinted card's colors to your mana pool.  If the imrpinted card is colorless, instead add 1 colorless mana to your mana pool.

With this, your losing a minimum of 1 life and there will also be times when you will hit an artifact and not get colored mana, so there are more drawbacks to this version.

2.)
Mox Crystal      0
Imprint - When Mox Crystal comes into play, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a nonland card. (The revealed card is imprinted on this artifact.) Remove from the game all cards revealed this way.

Tap: Add one mana of any of the imprinted card's colors to your mana pool.  If the imrpinted card is colorless, instead add 1 colorless mana to your mana pool.  You lose life equal to the imprinted cards mana cost.

This version would also have the potential drawback of losing life.  Both versions have the drawbacks of losing life, milling cards you might need, and also the possibility of getting colorless mana instead of colored mana.  I really think this card should be able to remove colorless artifacts for colorless mana.  What do you think?  Seems like a broken cards and would get restricted for type 1, but will still not be as good as the off color moxes that decks run.

As for the version that makes you discard a card for each use, mana'd ichorid would be the deck that it would fit into just ad nauseam is the deck that chrome mox fits into.

[BIO]

I would never want to play a card like that in any deck except possibly a combo deck.

What is your goal here?  What kind of decks do you want to be able to use this?  Where on the unplayable to fair to broken scale do you want this card to be?

The goal is simply just to come-up with a playable mox that's not too broken. So we're trying to strike a balance. A balance that would not render the card "crappy".

@Oath of Happy: Aside from being able to imprint colorless card, your ideas about the life-loss had crossed my mind and was posted a few days back. As again, in combo, life-loss is really insignificant. Card disadvantage is the viable way to go.

[andrewpate]

What about a reverse Chrome Mox?  You must remove an artifact from the game, and it only produces colorless.

[Anusien]

Neither of these are elegant.  Moxen also need to be elegant.

By the way, fast mana almost always either ends up too good or too bad.  Chrome Mox is one of the few exceptions I can think of that was designed well enough to be fair for a whole bunch of decks.

[orgcandman]

I think you're going about this all wrong. Each mox that has been created after the first 5 "re-invented" some parts of what a mox meant. I say, continue with this instead of trying to rehash older ideas into some new wordings.

How about:

Mox Prism
0
Artifact
T, Discard a card: Add one mana of any of the discarded card's colors, and one mana of your choice to your mana pool.

Something like that. Obviously that's a really powerful turn 1 play (3 mana turn 1 - zomg!) but it's a choice - do you empty out your hand for insane mana production, or not? Just a musing on the subject.

[BruiZar]

That would be very very awesome with flashback or madness. IMagine dropping that mox and playing circular logic

[Matt]

That would be very very awesome with flashback or madness. IMagine dropping that mox and playing circular logic

Or Akroma, or Hellkite Overlord, or Tidespout Tyrant.

Or Golgari Grave-Troll.

[BruiZar]

How about this:

Shimmering Mox 
Artifact
Threshold: Add 1 colorless mana to your mana pool