Twaun007
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For eight hundred years have I trained Jedi.
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« on: February 19, 2009, 05:01:39 pm » |
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I have been trying to figure this one out with my friends at work. Here we go.
When Yoda and Obi-Wan died they became one with the Force(Vader did after he was cremated by Luke), right? My question comes from Obi-Wan and Yoda's physical bodies disappearing when their time came. Why is it that those two died and became one with the Force, but when other Jedi died their bodies lay broken on the battlefield?
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bluemage55
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2009, 05:23:06 pm » |
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When Yoda and Obi-Wan died they became one with the Force(Vader did after he was cremated by Luke), right? My question comes from Obi-Wan and Yoda's physical bodies disappearing when their time came. Why is it that those two died and became one with the Force, but when other Jedi died their bodies lay broken on the battlefield? Because it was a technique that, for the most part, needed to be learned before it could be used. Vader was a rare exception, as he was brought over by Obi-Wan and Yoda (not to mention inherently possessing signfiicant Force potential). |
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Godder
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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2009, 05:28:25 pm » |
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Jinn Qui-Gonn learnt the technique first, supposedly, and taught Yoda and Obi-Wan. Not entirely sure about the rationalisation behind Vader, but since he has the highest force (miticlorians) count on record, that could have something to do with it.
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2009, 05:31:47 pm » |
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Qui-Gon Jinn actually rediscovered the technique, which had been lost. Yoda references this at one point in the prequel trilogy. He taught it to Yoda and Obi-Wan after he died. Expanded Universe says that Yoda and Obi-Wan intervened at Vader's death and basically turned him into a ghost at that time. That's why he turned back into his younger self, whom they knew, rather than his deformed self from the time of his death (while Yoda and Obi-Wan turned into ghosts of their aged selves).
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Godder
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2009, 05:37:13 pm » |
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First in that Qui-Gonn taught the others, but yeah, it wasn't something he discovered as such, he just learnt about it from elsewhere.
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That's what I like about you, Laura - you're always willing to put my neck on the line. |
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Eastman
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2009, 08:24:30 pm » |
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Qui-Gon Jinn actually rediscovered the technique, which had been lost.
Of all the force techniques to lose... Like seriously total fail to whoever managed to forget that one in the first place. Here's a better question: how come Obi-Won tells Vader that if he's struck down he'll become 'more powerful than he could imagine' or something like that, but then all he seems able to do is make cell phone calls and show up as a wispy figure on the sidelines at parties? I could imagine a lot more power than that myself. |
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« Last Edit: February 19, 2009, 08:27:31 pm by Eastman »
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Godder
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2009, 08:49:41 pm » |
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Epic fail, indeed. That said, the technique is supposedly a difficult one to use, and very few Jedi are ever awesome enough to be able to use it, so it's possible that there wasn't anyone good enough one time, and the technique died out (heh).
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That's what I like about you, Laura - you're always willing to put my neck on the line. |
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Eastman
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2009, 11:47:32 pm » |
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Epic fail, indeed. That said, the technique is supposedly a difficult one to use, and very few Jedi are ever awesome enough to be able to use it, so it's possible that there wasn't anyone good enough one time, and the technique died out (heh).
Well why didn't one of the dudes who'd used it before show up all wispy at a party and teach it to someone then? Biggest question on this whole issue: Can they only show up at parties and Bar Mitzvah's and stuff, or can they also just hang out and do normal stuff? You'd think it'd be good to have their considerable experience and other-world knowledge when they do those jedi council votes. |
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Roxas
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2009, 03:28:51 am » |
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If I remember correctly from reading some of the extended universe books, the ability is somewhat limited. I recall a point at which Obi-Wan had to say goodbye to Luke for real because his being was going to fully merge with the Force or something like that.
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Anusien
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2009, 02:23:53 pm » |
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The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith are not canon.
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2009, 08:15:52 pm » |
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The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith are not canon.
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2009, 08:48:29 pm » |
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Why is it that those two died and became one with the Force, but when other Jedi died their bodies lay broken on the battlefield? IMO, this also has to do with how they die (technique aside). Yoda and Obi-wan were in full control when their time came, they could apply their knowledge of the force to become one with it immediately upon losing their physical self. Yoda and Obi-wan were not killed either. The Jedi that lie broken on the battlefield were actually killed by something (Qui-gon, Vader, etc.). It is kind of hard to concentrate when you are getting impaled by Darth Maul... |
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Godder
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2009, 03:34:22 am » |
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Why is it that those two died and became one with the Force, but when other Jedi died their bodies lay broken on the battlefield? IMO, this also has to do with how they die (technique aside). Yoda and Obi-wan were in full control when their time came, they could apply their knowledge of the force to become one with it immediately upon losing their physical self. Yoda and Obi-wan were not killed either. The Jedi that lie broken on the battlefield were actually killed by something (Qui-gon, Vader, etc.). It is kind of hard to concentrate when you are getting impaled by Darth Maul... The problem with that theory is that Qui-Gonn is the one who (re)discovered the technique. |
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That's what I like about you, Laura - you're always willing to put my neck on the line. |
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2009, 06:10:31 am » |
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Honestly the problem with this is that when the first movie was made Qui-gon wasn't a part of the story, nobody had thought of him and he had never existed. that's the trouble with making series backwards and waiting 30 years or so to complete it  /Zeus Preedit: I love the old star wars movies anyways. |
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