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« on: March 14, 2009, 04:42:11 am »

Bureaucracy
 {3} {U} {U}
You may remove a blue card from your hand from the game instead of paying Bureaucracy's casting cost.
Target spell whose effect affects a single player, targets another player instead.


I was looking for something of a sister spell to Misdirection. Something that could alter the way spells are looked at. Especially those pesky spells that lack targets.
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2009, 09:25:49 am »

Bureaucracy
 {3} {U} {U}
You may remove a blue card from your hand from the game instead of paying Bureaucracy's casting cost.
Target spell whose effect affects a single player, targets another player instead.


I was looking for something of a sister spell to Misdirection. Something that could alter the way spells are looked at. Especially those pesky spells that lack targets.

There is no such thing as an "effect". I am not sure how this can be reworded to achieve its desired function.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2009, 10:56:10 am »

You might want to rethink that name also.

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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2009, 02:57:41 pm »

This already exists, in the gorm of MisD.  Why would you want to make it?  What is it designed to do?  How does it do this?

These are the questions you need to ask before designing a card.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2009, 08:59:07 pm »

This already exists, in the gorm of MisD.  Why would you want to make it?  What is it designed to do?  How does it do this?

These are the questions you need to ask before designing a card.
He wants to redirect abilities too.
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2009, 09:25:55 pm »

What I was interested in doing was finding a way to change the effect of the card Paradigm Shift, to target another player rather than myself. It was my experimenting with the card to try and brawl it that led me to the need to find a card that could change just the effect of a spell.
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2009, 01:47:58 am »

Oh...so kind of like a Donate for spells. That should be doable:

"Remove a sorcery or instant card in your hand from the game. Target opponent may play the removed card without paying its mana cost. If that opponent doesn't, he or she loses the game."
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2009, 02:13:19 am »

That's the idea, I'm not sure if it by itself is already broken but I know that it's closer to it origional intension.
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2009, 04:03:13 am »

What about this?

Loreshift  {3} {U} {U}
(Tribal) Instant (- Wizard)
You may remove an island or a blue card in you hand from the game instead of paying Loreshifts'a mana cost.

You may change the target of target spell or ability with a single target.

"Are you sure that's a wise idea?"
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2009, 05:36:51 am »

What about this?

Loreshift  {3} {U} {U}
(Tribal) Instant (- Wizard)
You may remove an island or a blue card in you hand from the game instead of paying Loreshifts'a mana cost.

You may change the target of target spell or ability with a single target.

"Are you sure that's a wise idea?"


?

thats like a misdirecction on crack after its done cocaine.
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2009, 04:28:26 pm »

I really like that I'm wondering how something like this may play:

Loreshift  {3} {U} {U}
(Tribal) Instant (- Wizard)
You may remove two  islands  or a blue card in you hand from the game instead of paying Loreshifts'a mana cost.

Target player gains control of target spell on the stack, that player may choose new targets for the spell.

"Fine you deal with it then"


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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2009, 04:52:57 pm »

I really like that I'm wondering how something like this may play:

Loreshift  {3} {U} {U}
(Tribal) Instant (- Wizard)
You may remove two  islands  or a blue card in you hand from the game instead of paying Loreshifts'a mana cost.

Target player gains control of target spell on the stack, that player may choose new targets for the spell.

"Fine you deal with it then"


That's like a Commandeer on crack after its done cocaine.

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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2009, 11:33:06 pm »

He wants something more than a misD though. He wants to change the player that's affected by cards which don't target, instead saying "You do blah blah blah".
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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2009, 03:45:44 am »

How about:

"the next time a spell or effect an opponent controls destroys or deals damage to you or one of your permanents, insteadd it does that to target opponennts permanennts isntead.

halfway typing this I realized this doesnt make sense, and I dont think the wording will ever be done properly without  it being confusing or wiithout making iit a fow, misddirection or Commandeer on cracck after ccocaine.

( sorry for the double letter typos I made, but thiss kkeyboard is the worst ever for typing fast)
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Yes,Tarmogoyf is probably better than Chameleon Colossus, but comparing it to Tarmogoyf is like comparing your girlfriend to Carmen Electra - one's versatile and reliable, the other's just big and cheap.(And you'd run both if you could get away with)
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2009, 09:18:36 pm »

What about nutering it a bit by only targeting instants or sorcery. That may help to take the spell down from it's abusive starts.

Loreshift  {3} {U} {U}
(Tribal) Instant (- Wizard)
You may remove two  islands  or a blue card in you hand from the game instead of paying Loreshifts'a mana cost.

Target player gains control of target instant or sorcery spell on the stack, that player may choose new targets for the spell.

"Fine you deal with it then"


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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2009, 01:50:13 am »

well misdirection can only target instants and sorceries, so its basically another misdirection going into rehab.

If you make it instant only, or target only sorcery, not both, then maybe.

Also removing 2 islands is too powerfull imo, no one cares about islands in hand (maybe I am to vintage legacy focussed though)

unless you make it basic island.


Loreshift   
 {3} {U} {U}
(Tribal) Instant (- Wizard)
You may remove a blue card in you hand from the game instead of paying Loreshifts'a mana cost.

Target player gains control of target instant spell on the stack, that player may choose new targets for the spell.

"Swords my Goyf? how about I swords your goyf and make the goyf +2/+2 instead. TRIBAL BABY"


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Yes,Tarmogoyf is probably better than Chameleon Colossus, but comparing it to Tarmogoyf is like comparing your girlfriend to Carmen Electra - one's versatile and reliable, the other's just big and cheap.(And you'd run both if you could get away with)
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2009, 03:27:37 am »

If it's between instants or sorceries, then I would side on sorceries. This would differentiate it from MisD and could justify lowering the cc.
Maybe to  {1} {U} {U}.

Loreshift
{1}{U}{U}
Instant
Tribal-Wizard

You may remove a blue card In your hand from the game instead of paying Loreshift's casting cost.
Target player gains control of target sorcery spell, that player may choose new targets for the spell.
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2009, 03:58:35 am »

I like that one  a lot better, though  giving a 3CC spell an alternate casting cost seems a biit silly though.

maybe give it a daze gush alternate cost? return 2 islands to your hand instead?
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2009, 10:22:21 am »

I don't think that alternate casting cost on a cheap spell is necessarily silly.  With permission, which this will often be, there is an enormous difference between being able to tap out and not being able to tap out.  Just look at Daze, which sees much more play than Force Spike, even though Force Spike requires you to leave only a single mana available.
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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2009, 06:42:47 am »

Oh...so kind of like a Donate for spells. That should be doable:

"Remove a sorcery or instant card in your hand from the game. Target opponent may play the removed card without paying its mana cost. If that opponent doesn't, he or she loses the game."

Oh god I want it.. Final Fortune.dec!
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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2009, 07:11:07 am »

Oh...so kind of like a Donate for spells. That should be doable:

"Remove a sorcery or instant card in your hand from the game. Target opponent may play the removed card without paying its mana cost. If that opponent doesn't, he or she loses the game."

Oh god I want it.. Final Fortune.dec!

If that's supposed to be a free spell...Well damn. Here have One With Nothing (OWN)....Turn 1.

Final fortune looks good for that purpose aswell.

My ipod actually agrees with me....It just said "This is dangerous"...I suppose it's a coincidence...But still Wink

Still the effect is cool, just need to be costed at 4-5 mana i think.
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