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15 Premium foil cards, including 8 with new art All policies described in this document apply only to non-premium, tournament-legal Magic cards. Wizards of the Coast has and may continue to print special versions of cards not meant for regular game play, such as oversized cards. It could include power if they so wished. |
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2009, 12:59:49 am » |
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That would be so awesome if everyone who wanted to play Vintage (say Legacy players etc) could get power with one of these. I know it's too good to be true, but foil shop, foil lotus, foil drain, foil bazaar, foil... It won't happen. but would be so nice  |
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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2009, 01:04:14 am » |
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Yes, nice unless you already have a set of power, in which case it would be a significant loss of value.
On the bright side, it would be fun to call a judge on my opponent because the only foils in his deck are Moxen.
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2009, 06:00:47 am » |
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Based on the description, the cards would be drawn from those that used to be restricted/banned but with power levels that are acceptable by today's standards. This would obviously preclude moxen.
If I had to guess what they were:
Balance
Berserk
Braingeyser
Chrome Mox
Divine Intervention
Doomsday
Fork
Ivory Tower
Mind over Matter
Mirror Universe
Mox Diamond
Recall
Replenish
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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2009, 06:47:51 am » |
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OMG! They really did From the Vault: Vintage! I can't believe it. As for the artwork, definately Balance. Nice. Balance
Berserk
Braingeyser
Chrome Mox
Divine Intervention
Doomsday
Fork
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Mind over Matter
Mirror Universe
Mox Diamond
Recall
Replenish
Stroke of Genius
Underworld Dreams Of course, it depends on how this works with their "Reprint Policy" and if the announcement means cards that were once restricted but aren't now. However, if the picture really is for Balance, then I would think that cards currently restricted would make the set. So I would say that Sol Ring would make it in before Doomsday, Ali From Cairo would make it in over Stroke of Genius, Lotus Petal over Chrome Mox, and maybe Strip Mine over MoM. Just guesses of course. Heh heh, but I'm going to hold out hope for crazy stuff like LoA, Bazaar, Workshop, Mana Drain, and Imperial Seal. |
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2009, 08:42:51 am » |
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First step towards Vintage Grand Prixs?
Please?
Please?
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2009, 09:46:05 am » |
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First step towards Vintage Grand Prixs?
Please?
Please?
That would be awesome. I would honestly feel bad for original power owners, but the eternal crowd likes to 'pimp' cards, so the originals would still hold a lot of value for that crowd. here's hoping.... |
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2009, 10:18:37 am » |
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It is said there were once fifteen Magic: The Gathering cards so potent, they were banned or restricted from the known realms of competition. But in the years that have passed, the game has evolved and these elder cards are once again in play. Master these weapons from ages past and give your opponent a beating of historic proportions. This quote makes me think that it will be cards from the early banned and restricted lists which have not been printed in a long time, ruling out things like Underworld Dreams (which has been in many core sets, including the current one) and Demonic Tutor (which is in the new boxed set coming out). I would also guess that it won't include cards that have been reprised in recent sets, like Ali from Cairo (see Fortune Thief), but I do not think that having a Magus in Time Spiral Block will prevent a card's inclusion. From those early B/R lists, sans ante, that leaves: Ancestral Recall Balance Berserk (maybe; there has been similar stuff) Black Lotus Braingeyser Candelabra of Tawnos Channel Chaos Orb Divine Intervention Falling Star Ivory Tower Library of Alexandria Maze of Ith Mind Twist Mirror Universe Mishra's Workshop Mox times 5 Recall Regrowth Shahrazad Sol Ring Sword of the Ages Timetwister Time Vault Time Walk Wheel of Fortune Ruling out cards banned in every format (Chaos Orb, Falling Star, Shahrazad), you still have quite a few cards they could choose from. Now, you could make a 15 card list, from that, of: Balance (pretty much confirmed by the artwork) plus Braingeyser, Candelabra of Tawnos, Channel, Divine Intervention, Ivory Tower, Maze of Ith, Mind Twist, Mirror Universe, Recall, Regrowth, Sol Ring, Sword of the Ages, and Wheel of Fortune. That's 14 cards generally available for no more than 15 dollars (Mirror Universe might take some bargain-hunting), and several of them for a dollar or less. That still leaves one card which has the potential to be really exciting and possibly justify the MSRP of $35 for 15 cards and a spindown. Even a single Vintage money card would guarantee a huge retail success for this product. I would assume that anything included with a high secondary market value, though, will be something not often used in multiples (ruling out, for example, Mishra's Workshop), but this could as easily be Time Vault as a restricted card. As for value impact, the set purports to have a small print run, and judge foils have never really had much impact on the value of oldschool cards. I don't have the full set of $100+ cards, but I have several and do not fear for my Mox values based on this set. I really think that we could support a limited edition foil Time Vault, Library, or even a Power card such as Time Walk. I really hope that's what we get. |
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2009, 10:28:20 am » |
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I think you missed the part where it was stated that these cards are once again in play because the game has evolved, which probably means that these cards are of appropriate power levels to see play in at least Legacy.
This would obviously preclude cards like P9, LoA, Shop, Sol Ring, and Wheel of Fortune.
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2009, 10:51:32 am » |
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And balance, oh wait.
I'll probably be buying this one.
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2009, 11:17:30 am » |
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I think it'd be pretty hilarious if Lin-Sivvi were in here. She fits all the criteria  |
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2009, 11:54:12 am » |
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Release Date: August 28th, 2009 Still a foil balance is nice, though I think the old balance art was great. I hope they choose playable cards though, and not junk like braingeyser, stroke, time spiral, etc. I doubt they would reprint any power card though.
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2009, 11:56:04 am » |
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And balance, oh wait. Balance is on a completely different level from, say, Ancestral Recall or Black Lotus. How many Balance's do we see in Top 8 lists lately? A case could be made for that Balance's power level is approriate to see play in Legacy. The same cannot be said of things like P9. |
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2009, 12:33:11 pm » |
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I think you missed the part where it was stated that these cards are once again in play because the game has evolved, which probably means that these cards are of appropriate power levels to see play in at least Legacy.
This would obviously preclude cards like P9, LoA, Shop, Sol Ring, and Wheel of Fortune.
And balance, oh wait. Balance is on a completely different level from, say, Ancestral Recall or Black Lotus. How many Balance's do we see in Top 8 lists lately? A case could be made for that Balance's power level is approriate to see play in Legacy. The same cannot be said of things like P9. That's some serious backpedaling there. I also agree that Ancestral Recall is more powerful than Balance. However, the language you reference about being "back in play" simply can't mean what you think. Balance has never been banned in any format in which it is now legal, and Balance is the one card we have confirmed. Therefore, we must come up with some other interpretation of that language. Mine was that "back in play" is just a melodramatic way of saying that these cards will be reprinted for the first time in many years. That's why I struck cards such as Feldon's Cane, which was reprinted just two years ago, from my list. You have simply failed to persuade me that Underworld Dreams, which is on your initial list, will be reprinted with all of this fanfare in a special boxed set when it is currently already legal in Standard. |
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Mine was that "back in play" is just a melodramatic way of saying that these cards will be reprinted for the first time in many years. That's why I struck cards such as Feldon's Cane, which was reprinted just two years ago, from my list. You have simply failed to persuade me that Underworld Dreams, which is on your initial list, will be reprinted with all of this fanfare in a special boxed set when it is currently already legal in Standard. It states specifically that "several" of the cards will be printed in the new frame (which dates only from 2003) for the first time. This implies that at least some will be cards that have been printed recently, but were once banned or restricted. Underworld Dreams would be an example of such. |
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2009, 01:08:43 pm » |
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Looks like Dragon's Herald from Shards of Alara. |
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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2009, 04:24:05 pm » |
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Not necessarily banned in eternal formats. I would imagine something like this:
Balance
Necro
Skullclamp
Top
Regrowth
Hymn to Tourach
Dark Ritual
Strip Mine
Mind Twist
The Rack
Tinker
Land Tax
Crop Rotation
etc... all cards which are not more then 5$ today.
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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2009, 05:57:16 pm » |
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Wasnt kird ape banned back in the day for being too powerful. I think channel and black vise were as well.
Ok so i found the first dci floor rules on their website and this was the first restricted list
Ali from Cairo
Ancestral Recall
Berserk
Black Lotus
Brain Geyser
Dingus Egg
Gauntlet of Might
Icy Manipulator
Mox Pearl
Mox Emerald
Mox Ruby
Mox Sapphire
Mox Jet
Orcish Oriflamme
Rukh Egg
Sol Ring
Time Twister
Time Vault
Time Walk
Orcish Oriflamme would be hot foil.
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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2009, 07:30:31 pm » |
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Yeah, but a lot of those restrictions were very short-lived, like only a few months. Check this article: https://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/feature/131It talks about a lot of the longer-lasting early restrictions and the reasoning used. Interestingly, many of the concerns had to do with games going on too long, like Maze of Ith and Ali from Cairo often slowing things down rather than actually being broken or deciding the winner. |
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« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2009, 01:08:00 am » |
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Oh, and there's one more thing: the cards in italics are the ones that are on the Reserved List, which means they’re not in From the Vault: Exiled. Looks like Moxen are safe! Beyond that, we could have the Worst Box Set ever, featuring: Balance Orcish Oriflamme Rukh Egg Squandered Resources Tempest Efreet Timmerian Fiends Zuran Orb Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero Jeweled Bird KIRD APE Black Vice Bronze Tablet Channel Darkpact Dingus Egg |
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Orcish Oriflamme was on early/original lists for awhile because the Alpha version had a misprint in the casting cost - only 1R instead of 3R.
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« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2009, 04:58:48 am » |
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We can finally get a freaking Mana Crypt reprint. It'd also be nice to see some of the P3K stuff come back as well considering the rarity concerns.
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« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2009, 08:33:58 am » |
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As I was complaining about earlier on IRC, this list is totally wrong. It either contains a number of cards that shouldn't be on it, is missing an enormous amount of cards, or both.
The introduction to the list says that it is a list of cards that have ever been "banned." Ostensibly, this includes cards that have also ever been merely restricted, which is why things like Orcish Oriflamme, Icy Manipulator, and Dingus Egg are listed. Those cards were restricted early on in type 1 (then known simply as "Magic"), but were never banned in any format. They were also unrestricted well before the instantiation of the original 1.5 format. Furthermore, Ponder and Brainstorm are listed. While these two are currently restricted in Vintage, neither card has ever been banned in any format, either.
On the other hand, if this list is supposed to include cards that were once restricted, it is missing a ton of cards. All of the Legendary creatures in Legends and Ice Age and the Legendary lands were once restricted. Dismissing these, the list also omits:
Candelabra of Tawnos (restricted in type 1, banned in 1.5)
Feldon's Cane (restricted in type 1, banned in 1.5)
Copy Artifact (restricted in type 1, banned in 1.5)
Hymn to Tourach (restricted in type 2, banned in 1.5)
Finally, this list is also missing several cards that were outright banned in at least one format. These include:
Juggernaut (banned in 1.x)
Fluctuator (banned in type 2)
Recurring Nightmare (banned in type 2)
And there are probably several more. I intend to edit this post if I can think of any others. WotC can't seem to get out of its own way when it comes to verification of MtG's history.
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« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2009, 08:48:49 am » |
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If I'm reading that Arcana article correctly then this set could include:
Imperial Seal
Mana Drain
Mishras Workshop
Those alone would make this set worth its wait in gold.
I only wish that Grim Tutor had been banned at some point so it could have made the cut, as well.
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« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2009, 09:06:39 am » |
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If I'm reading that Arcana article correctly then this set could include:
Imperial Seal
Mana Drain
Mishras Workshop
Those alone would make this set worth its wait in gold.
I only wish that Grim Tutor had been banned at some point so it could have made the cut, as well. Mishra's Workshop is indeed reserved and is not reprintable: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Article.aspx?x=magic/products/reprintpolicyIt's clear that they just forgot to italicize that one. Katzby |
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« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2009, 09:33:42 am » |
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If I had to guess what they were:
Balance
Berserk
Braingeyser
Chrome Mox
Divine Intervention
Doomsday
Fork
Ivory Tower
Mind over Matter
Mirror Universe
Mox Diamond
Recall
Replenish
Stroke of Genius
Underworld Dreams
If reserved cards are out, I can take Braingeyser, Divine Intervention, Fork, Mind over Matter, Mirror Universe, Mox Diamond, and Replenish off my list. My revised list would be: Balance Berserk Chrome Mox Dingus Egg Doomsday Fact or Fiction Hurkyl's Recall Icy Manipulator Ivory Tower Maze of Ith Orcish Oriflamme Recall Rukh Egg Stroke of Genius Underworld Dreams |
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