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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2009, 10:12:33 pm » |
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Well first off, the names are kind of blah. Second, the green one is pretty far above the curve - 4/6 for 4 is a good deal already, and you throw on two MORE abilities with only a minor drawback to balance? A lot of green decks don't even want sorceries to begin with, or can find instant-speed workarounds (and why is it sorcery-only?).
I would shrink it to 4/5 and remove flash entirely (flash is one of the very best creature abilities, even green can't get it 'for free') -or- make it 2GG for a 5/5 with no abilities (or one minor ability like reach) and "You can't play noncreature spells." A 4cc 5/5 with a sometimes-drawback is something green has gotten many times.
The red guy likewise seems overpowered. Why does he have protection? Why artifacts? That isn't much of a drawback, either, it's way too easy to work around. If you gave THIS guy "can't play sorc/inst" a red deck almost certainly will find that a major drawback, so you can reward it accordingly with a large body (3R for 4/4 first strike, or 1RR for 4/3 haste maybe?).
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2009, 09:21:56 am » |
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Well first off, the names are kind of blah. Second, the green one is pretty far above the curve - 4/6 for 4 is a good deal already, and you throw on two MORE abilities with only a minor drawback to balance? A lot of green decks don't even want sorceries to begin with, or can find instant-speed workarounds (and why is it sorcery-only?).
I would shrink it to 4/5 and remove flash entirely (flash is one of the very best creature abilities, even green can't get it 'for free') -or- make it 2GG for a 5/5 with no abilities (or one minor ability like reach) and "You can't play noncreature spells." A 4cc 5/5 with a sometimes-drawback is something green has gotten many times.
The red guy likewise seems overpowered. Why does he have protection? Why artifacts? That isn't much of a drawback, either, it's way too easy to work around. If you gave THIS guy "can't play sorc/inst" a red deck almost certainly will find that a major drawback, so you can reward it accordingly with a large body (3R for 4/4 first strike, or 1RR for 4/3 haste maybe?).
Like I said, that was all of 2 minutes'-work, to show off the possibilities; I'm happy to modify them in their entirety, if necessary, I like the ideas shown here, Matt. Edited to adjust.
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2009, 09:50:39 am » |
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Yawgmoth's Forsaken  Creature - Deamon Cleric Flying, First Strike You cannot play artifact Spells. Yawgmoth's Forsaken gains +2/+0 for each artifact in your graveyard 1/3 Might be too good with all the new cycling artifacts...
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2009, 12:35:12 pm » |
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I like the "you cannot play" drawback. Reminds me of Derelor, and he was a good man. Cards like this present players with designs challenges for their decks: is this guy good enough that I can give up X? So balancing them is the big challenge. They need to be flashy enough that people will want to play them, but they kind of encourage linear deck design in that you'd play with (for example) the first two cards in the same deck.
Anyway, my real contribution to this thread is another variant on the mechanic geared for an Un-set: Lousy Duelist 7BU Creature - Human Player When Lousy Duelist comes into play, target opponent gains control of Lousy Duelist. You cannot play Magic cards. "You're so bad at Magic." 0/1
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2009, 02:35:42 pm » |
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They need to be flashy enough that people will want to play them, but they kind of encourage linear deck design in that you'd play with (for example) the first two cards in the same deck. That's why I kinda like the Forsaken card I proposed. It wouldn't be played in a deck with NO artifacts, as he's just an awful flyer. You'd need to run early artifacts and then get them in the yard to pump him. But when you put him in play, you end up having dead draws.
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2009, 04:05:36 pm » |
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2009, 05:35:17 pm » |
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They need to be flashy enough that people will want to play them, but they kind of encourage linear deck design in that you'd play with (for example) the first two cards in the same deck. That's why I kinda like the Forsaken card I proposed. It wouldn't be played in a deck with NO artifacts, as he's just an awful flyer. You'd need to run early artifacts and then get them in the yard to pump him. But when you put him in play, you end up having dead draws. Heh I actually thought of something along those lines right after replying last night. You're right, I do like that tension.
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2009, 01:51:51 pm » |
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2009, 09:59:58 am » |
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That's pretty much just a straight upgrade to Ball Lightning. It's not like BL is usually played with Unsummon.
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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2009, 04:31:48 am » |
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That's pretty much just a straight upgrade to Ball Lightning. It's not like BL is usually played with Unsummon.
Changed from Blue to Red. This makes it far more difficult; also, dropped the toughness to 3.
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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2009, 05:14:29 pm » |
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That drawback still doesn't do anything, really: even assuming you're not tapped out from playing this guy, you can just make this guy the last card you play this turn.
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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2009, 01:53:18 am » |
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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2009, 05:09:21 pm » |
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How about you just can't do anything while he's in play except attack with him (and only him)? Text like "You can't play spells or (non-mana?) activated abilities. \ Other creatures you control can't attack." So he's so full of fury he's the only thing you can concentrate on.
I like that; added to OP.
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