Key/Vault is so broken it now has its own thread

[kalisia]

I think its safe to say if you are playing a deck with the usual Tinker, Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, and Thirst for Knowledge and you aren't playing Time Vault and Voltiac Key then you built your deck wrong.

I don't think so. It's just not safe to say this. Many decks are competitive without Key-Vault and with Demonic, Vampiric, Tinker, Thirst.

[Nehptis]

I'm recently getting in touch with friends that I thought still played vintage but they jumped ship with TimeKey.  I don't want the standard response of "if you don't like vintage leave".  We need all the players possible to play vintage.  Now in addition to being known to newer players as the format of turn 1 kills, it's also a format of you skip infinite turns?  Good luck getting a type 2 player to switch into this metagame.

I stopped playing, and the metagame dominated by TimeKey is the main reason why.  In a word, Unfun.

[Eastman]

So I had not killed this originally despite the fact that it violates Rule 6 because I wanted to see if it would actually degenerate.  Unfortunately, it has. Locked due to violation of Rule 6: Prohibited Topics and Actions.

This is why we created the Advanced Vintage Forum, so that topics such as this could be discussed within the rules in a way that doesn't degenerate.  Some of the people posting here clearly have useful thoughts and input.  I'd encourage those people to just keep at it, the staff has been doing a lot of promotions lately and Full Membership is by no means out of reach.  If you believe you have a solid posting history justifying full member promotion please contact one of the moderators. 

-Eastman