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I was wondering, with all these talks of restrictions, bannings etc...When was people actually happy with vintage? I think the most interesting time was from onslaught and ended right around Kamigawa (The printing of gifts ungiven and legalization of portal) During this period lots of innovation and the shaping of vintage as we know it today took place. I liked the gifts era aswell, but not as much. Didn't like the gush era much, and the current era seems a bit boring compared to earlier era's. If we could define the era's i'd gladly make a pool!  /Zeus |
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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2009, 04:00:51 pm » |
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Q: When did you enjoy Vintage the most?
A: When people still played.
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2009, 04:13:50 pm » |
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Q: When did you enjoy Vintage the most?
A: When people still played.
Says the guy who I haven't seen show up to an event since GP Chicago. I enjoyed it most when I first started and was terrible but didn't realize it, and then later when I could play with Gro A Tog. |
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2009, 10:50:27 pm » |
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Immediately prior to the first GAT.
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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2009, 07:31:33 am » |
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The best was before Chaos Orb was banned!
Besides that, I like Vintage best as it is now.
Didn't care for the Gush era at all. I feel the format is at an innovative peak and also the most accessible for new players than it's been in a long time. IMO a combo heavy format drives people away more then anything as it tends to give Vintage the more negative image of a 1st turn win goldfish format.
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2009, 08:00:21 am » |
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Back when Full English Breakfast was a good deck.
Also whenever survival of the fittest was still a good card in this format.
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2009, 08:39:15 am » |
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Before darksteel. No Tinker -> Colossus, no trinisphere, no gifts. And as Jimmy mentioned, back then I was terrible but didn't realize it jet. Also I think more decks were viable (like Leviat, UWG Gro, etc.). I remember the first time I saw dryad, and getting beaten by it.. Sweet time  .. There was room for innovation and not much turn 1-2 wins (or winning positions). |
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2009, 09:07:07 am » |
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The Oath/Slaver/combo/Stax/Fish meta in 2003-6 or so.
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2009, 09:16:53 am » |
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Originally: Just after Visions. I loved playing with the Top Deck tutors and Rainbow Efreet.
Next: Urza's Block. There were so many new cards that were playable and drainging into Morphling was a blast (for me).
Finally: The Second Gush era of 2007-2008. When 49% of the top 8 decks are "the Rest of the Field" that is a good time for me.
Call me weird, I guess.
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2009, 11:13:50 am » |
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From onslaught until darksteel... that is after fetchlands but before trinisphere and gifts and all that business. Hulk/Fish/stax/dragon/tps/gro were all good and fun and the meta was really balanced and open for innovation.
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2009, 01:11:04 pm » |
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Right before Mirrodin came outwas by far my favorite. Drain decks were a lot more like control decks. They had board removal like Deed or Swords, and some ran wasteland. Tog was combo control, Keeper was hardcore control. You also had the top 2 busted combo decks in Dragon and Long, which were fair, but always gave you a sense of thrill and fear to play against. I remeber always getting blown out by Long g1, then siding in 4 Chalice of the void and thats when the match started. Stax decks were awsome and extremely viable. I used to love watching a match at a Waterbury while a prison player fought to lock down the board with spheres, wires, smokes, and welders. Fish and Aggro (including Oshawa Stompy, and Madness) were also great contendors and needed to be sideboarded for with creature removal. The meta was more balanced, decks had bombs like Yawg will in the deck, but the decks weren't built around abusing the same 1 or 2 cards every game. Ichorid didn't eat up half your sideboard either. Balance and consistency in control decks were valuable instead of just speeding for the win starting turn 1. I still enjoy playing Vintage now, but if I could come up with a new format, it would be Alpha through Scourge, and therefore would end when they gave cards the new frame and stopped printing cards that were intended to be more and more broken than ever.
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2009, 01:50:19 pm » |
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2002, after Fact or Fiction was restricted but before Onlsaught was printed. Runner-up: Fall of 2003, before the December restrictions. Runner, Runner-Up: Spring of 2005 when I was developing Meandeck Gifts.
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2009, 01:54:30 pm » |
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Right after Onslaught, for the same reasons Duncan stated.
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2009, 03:38:51 pm » |
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I loved playing meandeck gifts. Second to that was Gush/tyrant oath.
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2009, 03:48:41 pm » |
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Back when Turn One Terror existed and "Bear" actually referred to Grizzly Bears in R/G beats decks. Back then your life total could be -320 and still you when the game later that turn.
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« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2009, 05:00:26 pm » |
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Meandeck Gifts was my favor deck to play with and against so probably right before Gifts' Restriction was my favorite time.
I also liked the Gush era right before the mass restrictions.
Actually I guess I have liked everything since I got back into magic which was mid 2005.
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« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2009, 06:09:00 pm » |
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« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2009, 07:32:41 pm » |
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« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2009, 08:18:34 pm » |
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The Slaver and Gifts era. It was the most skill intensive, consistent, least swingy era of Magic I can remember. Players didn't get no-thinking-required turn 2 wins with Fastbond or Tezzeret, Brainstorm was there to reduce the significance of the opening 7, and the win mechanisms in the popular blue-based control decks demanded some level of planning and insight in order to function optimally.
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« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2009, 09:05:20 pm » |
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Q: When did you enjoy Vintage the most?
A: When people still played.
Says the guy who I haven't seen show up to an event since GP Chicago. Sorry, I fly all across the country for work, and currently it just isn't worth my little spare time that I have to drive 2+ hours each way, pay $20 in gas, and pay $25 entrance fee for a 15 person Magic tournament. I'd rather just drive 35 minutes and play some Type 4 with friends if the turnouts are that weak. I don't live the Magic Pro Player Lifestyle like you and Owen. My favorite 'period' in Vintage was probably when the original GrowATog and TnT were around. TnT is probably my favorite deck in the history of Vintage. My second favorite time in Vintage is any time after the printing of Dark Confidant. ; ) |
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« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2009, 09:07:12 pm » |
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I miss the days of Djinns and Efreets. Call me old fashioned, but I liked when Zuran Orb was annoying with Balance.  I have always loved type1, but these were the days I loved partly because that is when I started playing. |
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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2009, 10:06:03 pm » |
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At the height of Waterbury (back when it actually took place in Waterbury) and the Meandeck vs. Shortbus rivalry. That was also Hadley's height. Popular decks were Hulk, Gay Fish, Dragon, Stax, Slaver, etc. The format was very forgiving to new innovations at that time.
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« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2009, 08:36:07 am » |
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I agree with the pre-Trinisphere votes, but I also think a less-noticed fun-reduction point was the introduction of Storm. At the time, there were still lots of new decks coming to the fore, but to my mind, Storm marked the first break in the Playing = Fun equation.
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« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2009, 12:22:45 pm » |
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I'm fairly new to playing vintage but I've been following vintage for a long time. I always thought it was the best format and pretty much started following loosely when I first started playing around when Mercadian Masques came out (I just never had the money to play and have never been in the right location for Vintage play). I e think my favorite era was the pre-storm combo era where you had decks like Sligh, Suicide Black, High Tide, Academy, and Trix (which is probably my favorite deck ever).
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« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2009, 12:23:11 pm » |
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I miss 1997/1998 Vintage... cause that was when I was forced to retire (thanks Mom for making me sell my collection for $250 so I could buy textbooks, when I could have sold my Mox Pearl and Mox Emerald for about that much within a week on eBay at the time...)
I just got back into MTG with Shards block and I'm slowly rebuilding something that barely resembles my old collection, MTG sure has changed in 10 years, but it is still good, fun times!
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« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2009, 04:22:22 am » |
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For me, when I was rocking Burning Slaver, and then when I was rockings gifts.
I have generally enjoyed each new age in vintage, from the time I picked up the format around the time of onslaught.
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« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2009, 11:43:29 am » |
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When Dark Rituals were used for things other than Tendrils of Agony.
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« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2009, 12:01:52 pm » |
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When the SCG Power 9's first started up, and there were parties at Josh's.
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« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2009, 11:21:39 am » |
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Right before brainstorm was restricted and Oath was where it was at.
Oath is my favorite deck
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« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2009, 01:00:38 pm » |
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I really enjoyed the format when Gifts Ungiven and Brainstorm were legal. I really do think if ponder never were restricted, and Merchant Scroll was, we'd still have 4 brainstorms AND 4 Gifts Ungiven.
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