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« on: June 05, 2009, 05:21:21 am »

Here you have the Top8 decklists of the 8th event in the Liga Madrileña de Vintage. Deck Breakdown and other statistics will be published very soon. Enjoy!

Campeón –José Rául Rico – Almost Blue

4 Force of Will
3 Mana Drain
2 Brainfreeze
1 Brainstorm
1Chain of Vapor
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Frantic Search
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Gush
1 Misdirection
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Rebuild
4 Repeal
1 Thirst of Knowledge
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Deep Analisys
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mind´s Desire
1 Time Walk
1 Timetwister
1 Regrowth
1 Yawgmoth´s Will
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Vault
2 Tormod´s Crypt
1 Sensei Divining Top
1 Library of Alexandria
3 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
3 Island
2 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
1 Tolarian Academy

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Finalista – Álvaro González- Rémora

4 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
3 Underground Sea
4 Island
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Swamp
4 Dark Confidant
1 Inkwell Leviathan
4 Repeal
4 Mystic Remora
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
1 Hurkyl’s Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Brainstorm
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Black Lotus
1 Tinker
1 Sol Ring
4 Force of Will
3 Mana Drain
1 Misdirection
2 Sensei’s Divining Top
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Meditate
1 Mystical Tutor

SB:
2 Hurkyl’s Recall
3 Thoughtseize
2 Relic of Progenitus
3 Yixlid Jailer
1 Tormod’s Crypt
3 Spell Snare
1 Razormane Masticore


Semifinalista- Francisco Adalid – TPS

4 Force of Will
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Timewalk
1 Tmetwsiter
2 Repeal
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Mind´s Desire
1 Rebuild
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
1 Windfall
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
1 Lotus Petal
4 Dark Confidant
4 Dark Ritual
4 Duress
1 Imperial Seal
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Necropotence
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
1 Yawgmoth’s Bargain
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Empty the Warrens
4 Polluted Delta
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Island
1 Swamp
4 Underground Sea
1 Badland
1 Tolarian Academy

SB:
3 Hurkyl’s Recall
4 Pyrexian Negator
2 Extirpate
2 Pyroclasm
3 Yixlid Jailer
1 Tormod’s Crypt


Semifinalista – César Fernández -  TezzCast

4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
4 Thirst for Knowledge
4 Thoughcast
1 Tinker
1 Midirection
2 Tezzeret, the Seeker
1 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Brainstorm
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Fact or fiction
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
2 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Voltaic Key
1 Time Vault
1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Vault
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Inkwel Leviathan
2 Underground Sea
3 Volcanic Island
2 Flooded Strand
2 Bloodstained Mire
1 Polluted Delta
4 Seat of the Synod

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4 Ingot Chewer
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Extirpate
2 Rack & Ruin
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Pyroblast
3 Pyroclasm


Cuartofinalista – Ricardo Sanz – MUD Domination

2 Karn, Silver Golem
4 Metalworker
1 Platinum Angel
3 Triskelion
2 Arcbound Ravager
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
4 Sphere of Resistance
1 Trinisphere
3 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Staff of Domination
4 Tangle Wire
3 Sword of  Fire and Ice
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
2 Mishra's Factory
4 Mishra's Workshop
1 Tolarian Academy
3 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine

SB:
3 Pithing Needle
3 Relic of Progenitus
2 Crucible of Worlds
3 Razormane Masticore
2 Jester´s Cap
2 Duplicant



Cuartofinalista - Iván López - UW Fish

4 Meddling Mage
4 Sage of Epythir
4 Ninja of the Deep Hours
3 Figure of Destiny
2 Jötun Grunt
2 Kataki, War's Cage
4 Force of Will
1 Hurkyl’s Recall
3 Daze
3 Stifle
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Time Walk
3 Path to Exile
3 Null Rod
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
1 Plains
2 Island
4 Tundra
3 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand

SB:
3 Spell Snare
2 Pithing Needle
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Seal of Cleasing
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Serenity
1 Hurkyl’s Recall

Cuartofinalista – Aurelio Crespo – MUD

3 Arcbound Ravager
3 Karn, Silver Golem
4 Metalworker
3 Triskelion
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
4 Sphere of Resistance
4 Tangle Wire
4 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Trinisphere
3 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
3 Mishra's Factory
4 Mishra's Workshop
1 Strip Mine
1 Tolarian Academy
3 Wasteland

SB:

2 Jester´s Cap
3 Pithing Needle
3 Razormane Masticore
2 Powder Keg
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Crucible of Worlds
1 Culling Scales

Cuartofinalista - Ángelo Gámez – GW Beatings

4 Aven Mindcensor
3 Elvish Spirit Guide
2 Ethersworn Canonist
4 Gaddock Teeg
2 Kataki, War's Wage
4 Qasali Pridemage
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Vexing Shusher
2 Choke
2 Seal of Primordium
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
3 Null Rod
2 Horizon Canopy
3 Forest
1 Plains
3 Savannah
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills

SB:
1 Seal of Primordium
1 Kataki, War's Wage
2 Swords to Plowshares
2 Path to Exile
4 Tariff
2 Choke
3 Tormod´s Crypt
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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2009, 03:00:05 pm »

Here you have the Deck breakdown of the event:

Deck Breakdown (46 players)

Control (26)
8 Remora [6 (UB), 1 (UBR), 1 (UBG)]
6 Tezzeret [1 TezzCast, 1 4C, 2 (UBG), 1 (UBR), 1 (UBW)
4 Painters [2 (UBR), 2(UR)]
2 Bomberman  [1(UW), 1(UWR)]
2 Landstill [1(UW), 1(UWR)]
2 Repeal-Drain-Tendrills
1 Control Slaver (UR)
1 Almost Blue (UBG)

Aggrocontrol (7)
2 Noble Fish (UGW)
5 Fish [2 (UW), 2 (BUG),  1 (UBR)]

Workshop (5)
2 MUD
1 Aggro MUD
1 MUD Domination
1 UR Stax

Combo (5)
1 TPS [1 (UBR)]
1 Ad Nauseam (UB)
1 ElfBall
1 Oath (UBG)
1 Ichorid
 
Aggro (3)
2 Goblins [1 Monored, 1 (RB)]
1 Beatings GW
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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2009, 05:09:21 pm »

Wow, people in Europe read my article :p
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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2009, 05:56:06 pm »

Sure! Angelo really likd your idea, twiked a little bit two or three cards and played it to the top8 in his first Vinage tournament. He lost against combo due to de-sideboarding Orim's Chant...

What do you think about Tezzcast (My decklist), so far, my results are really impressive:

From October 2008 to May 2009

- 5º, Gran final de la LMV - TezzCast
- Winner, 2º Torneo LMV2 - TezzCast
- Winner, 3º Torneo LMV2 - TezzCast
- 5-3, 29º, XXVIII Open de Madrid - TezzCast
- 3-3, 4º Torneo LMV2 - TezzSlaverCast

- Top4, 5º Torneo LMV2 - TezzCast
- 3-3, 6º Torneo LMV2 - TezzCast
- Winner, 7º Torneo LMV2 - TezzCast
- 3-3, 3º Torneo LSV2 - TezzCast
- Top8, Cantrip Weekend Vintage - TezzCast
- 6-3, Bazaar of Moxen 3, Vintage - TezzCast
- Top4, 8º Torneo LMV2 - TezzCast

Also, two Italian people piloted it to win and Top4 three weeks ago.

People rejects to play it due to it being destroyed by Null Rod and Gorilla Shaman as you see in this breakdown: 6 Tezzeret [1 TezzCast, 1 4C, 2 (UBG), 1 (UBR), 1 (UBW)

But during the last months it's the Tezz list with the best results.

Another thing about the tournament is the Almost Blue list that win. Even though I like more my decklist, I find that construction really interesting on fighting against Tezzeret and Remora decklists, What do you people think about it?
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2009, 03:47:31 am »

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Another thing about the tournament is the Almost Blue list that win. Even though I like more my decklist, I find that construction really interesting on fighting against Tezzeret and Remora decklists, What do you people think about it?

ALmostBLue born to keep control decks and control combo decks down in mood and striking results.
I'm glad, really really glad to see it winning ALmost untouched since more than an year since last appeareance ( only minor changes due on restrictions ).

It is strinking
It is blazing
It is skill intensive
It's my pet deck
I'm the proud deck's co-creator
Nice to see it had more success in Spain played by Jaime & friends rather than in Italy where we streamlined the deck after his first appeareance in France.
It can be considered the "most european" among the tiers played there: born in France, tuned, tested and played in Italy & Germany, Top8ed a lot in Italy and won a lot in Spain...
WhoA! What an hell of a deck! Wink



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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2009, 02:52:05 pm »

Sure! Angelo really likd your idea, twiked a little bit two or three cards and played it to the top8 in his first Vinage tournament. He lost against combo due to de-sideboarding Orim's Chant...

What do you think about Tezzcast (My decklist), so far, my results are really impressive:

From October 2008 to May 2009

- 5º, Gran final de la LMV - TezzCast
- Winner, 2º Torneo LMV2 - TezzCast
- Winner, 3º Torneo LMV2 - TezzCast
- 5-3, 29º, XXVIII Open de Madrid - TezzCast
- 3-3, 4º Torneo LMV2 - TezzSlaverCast

- Top4, 5º Torneo LMV2 - TezzCast
- 3-3, 6º Torneo LMV2 - TezzCast
- Winner, 7º Torneo LMV2 - TezzCast
- 3-3, 3º Torneo LSV2 - TezzCast
- Top8, Cantrip Weekend Vintage - TezzCast
- 6-3, Bazaar of Moxen 3, Vintage - TezzCast
- Top4, 8º Torneo LMV2 - TezzCast

Also, two Italian people piloted it to win and Top4 three weeks ago.

People rejects to play it due to it being destroyed by Null Rod and Gorilla Shaman as you see in this breakdown: 6 Tezzeret [1 TezzCast, 1 4C, 2 (UBG), 1 (UBR), 1 (UBW)

But during the last months it's the Tezz list with the best results.

Another thing about the tournament is the Almost Blue list that win. Even though I like more my decklist, I find that construction really interesting on fighting against Tezzeret and Remora decklists, What do you people think about it?


Cesar,

I think that your decklist is very impressive.   It's the Meandeck Gifts equivalent to Tezzeret.  It's the fastest and most powerful, and it's weaknesses are probably overstated.    What was your last list?  And will you continue to try and work on this archetype post-restriction? 
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2009, 05:40:01 pm »

Cesar,

I think that your decklist is very impressive.   It's the Meandeck Gifts equivalent to Tezzeret.  It's the fastest and most powerful, and it's weaknesses are probably overstated.    What was your last list?  And will you continue to try and work on this archetype post-restriction?  

My last list(s) were the same list(s), with which I won the Vintage All Stars (A tournament with 32 of the best spanish Vintage Players) just one week ago and Top2/Splitted the finals of the 9th Liga Mdrileña de Vintage event less than a month ago. The deck is a meatgrinder!

I will be working on it, as I don't want to throw away a deck that gave me so many good results just for losing part of the draw enigne (more or less what happened to most Drain decks).

First thoughts is that - 3 TfK + 1 Sensei + 1 Key + 1 Tezzeret/Scroll could be the way to go. Most people undervalue the power of the Top/Key engine, but it overdraws any Drain deck very easily, also an adittional Tezz and Key is interesting for the explosive potential of the deck versus the Stax/Fish matchup. But I'm thinking on testing many cards that may seem to be  stupid/bad/undervalued such as Compulsive Research, Meditate, Perilous Research/Chromatic Sphere, and even Overmaster... Some may seem crazy, but that's the way I found Thoughtcast as an incredibly undervalued draw engine for the Painters or Key/Vault, testing cards other didn't (or didn't want) think of.

Another idea is improving the quality of the library manipulation with the addition of another Top and finding space for 4 Confidants. This way, a construction of a DT list can be solved now that 4 Thirsts can' be played. Also it can be played in a Tezz shell.

Also, Did you test the decklist? Now that TfK is gone how do you see Thoughtcast as an alternative draw engine? I'm constructing a Bomberman and a Drain Tendrils list around it. We'll see.
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2009, 12:00:57 am »

CHaPuZaS,

Isn't Null Rod really good against this deck? Or are you not facing a lot of Null Rod? I feel like the addition of Seat of the Synod x4 plus the additional Key and Top (relative to the American version) would make this deck particularly vulnerable to Null Rod. Obviously you've had success; I'm just wondering how the deck handles this problem or if it is even a problem. I see Ingot Chewer and such in the sideboard, I just feel like you'll have trouble getting out from under Null Rod at all.
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2009, 03:53:15 am »

Sure, if Null Rod didn't exist this deck will be unstoppable. Yes, Null Rod hurts the Deck a lot, but it can won Rod decks anyway. The thing is that pre-restriction I can give you these data:

In the last Month I've played 25 rounds in 3 tournaments. So far the deck only lost against one non-Rod deck. A DT in a Semifinals, Due to drawing 29 cards thanks to cards like Thoughtcasts and Ancestral, but only finding one Land or blue mana source (the one in hand) in those cards. That means that even whit what people think about the deck, it' very powerful against any non-Rod deck. The deck has been paired against Fish 3 times, 1 losing (UW Fish), 1 winning (UR Fish) and 1 draing into Top8.

Since the dawn of the Inkwell Leviathan and the inclusion of 3 Pyroclasm in the side, the deck performors better against Fish, even though it's the only unfavorable matchup.

But I think that the power of the deck partly lives in it's sideboard. With a Maindeck that performs so well against Drain Decks, an a deck so fast and explosive that the sideboard is just an incredible amount of Hate that boards at least 5-6 cards against any non Drain deck archetype:

4 Ingot Chewer: Fish Variants, Workshop Decks, Painters, TK, Ichorid, Bomberman...
3 Pyroclasm: Fish Variants, MUD Domination, Remora, Bomberman, Goblins/Elves...
2 REB/Pyroblast: Drain Decks, Painters, Oath, Combo Variants, Mana Ichorid, Bomberman, Fish Variants...
2 Tormod's Crypt/2 Extirpate: Ichorid Variants...
2 Rack and Ruin: Painters, Workshop Decks...
2 Extirpate: Ichorid...

This is thanks to Ingot Chewer, thebest sideboard card that I have ever seen. It's incredible against Fish, where you can destroy the worst card for R. Against Workshop Decks and Painters is the best card, because of the clock and ard advantage. It removes any Bridge and destroys Pithings and Chalices in the Ichorid Matchup and so on...
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2009, 06:53:35 am »

Good post. I think I'll try this deck out (substituting something for Thirst, obviously), as it seems rather interesting.
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2009, 07:32:07 am »

It's a pity not to have played it before, as I don't really know how good it can be now but pre-June restrictions it was very powerful.
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2009, 09:53:43 am »

I played Tezzcast prerestriction in Germany, and it's really a hell good engine. We had a hell of a Fish Meta, but I added Master of Eterium, which is always able to kick Goyfs ass, and helps a lot. I got Top 5, yeah it was fun.

I tried the Sensei/Repeal Engine, after TFK, but at the moment, I'm around 4 Accumulated Knowledge and 1 Intuition.

Big up for this Deck (;
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2009, 09:00:55 pm »

Yesterday the finalists of the 9th event of the LMV met to play the finals (Not celebrated the tournament's day because of logistic reasons). It was Alvaro Gonzalez playing UR Fish versus me, playing Tezzcast. A hard matchup. For me.

Here you have photos and the report of the finals, in spanish, but some photos speak themselves.

I won the finals 2-1 with Tezzcast. A beautiful way to say goodbay to the 4 TfK decks. Sure, we have gone Back to the Future Past to legally play the decks...xD

We have been testing a new way to focus Tezzcast, the most obvios the one I have speak about(-3 TfK,+1 Key, +1 Sensei, + 1 Tezz) , and the results were good enough... Very similar to how the deck performed before. Anyway, I'll test more.
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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2009, 06:46:06 pm »

Awesome! Did the almost blue player ever give approval to release his sideboard? I'm curious to know what the green mana in his deck is for. I have a feeling that Oath was in the board.
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