Attempt at R/B BurnDown

[joepapa]

Lands: 24
4 Urborg Volcano
2 Dragonskull Summit
2 Auntie's Hovel
2 Graven Cairns
7 Mountain
7 Swamp

Creatures: 14
4 Prickly Boggart
4 Organ Grinder
2 Mirri the Cursed
4 Dauthi Slayer

Instants: 18
4 Shock
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Terminate
2 Incinerate

Sorceries: 4
4 Night's Whisper
2 Diabolic Tutor

Artifacts: 2
1 Lotus Petal
1 Lotus Bloom

BUDGET BURN FTW

[Wagner]

Why do so many people read Book Burning wrong?

Please re-read the card. A player must choose to put 6 cards in his graveyard OR take 6 damage. It is very unlikely that any player will even take 6 damage for this. I highly suggest you change that card.

[Darkenslight]

Change Book Burning to Lava Blister?  Seems like a strong change.

[joepapa]

EDITS:
-4 Book Burning
+4 Lava Blister
-3 Skullscorch
+1 Shock
+2 Ascenant Evincar

[urweak]

I would add 4x Terramorphic Expanse or 4x Rocky Tar Pit. It will help you find the right land you need instead of getting screwed drawing all swamps when you need some mountains. I would just take out 2x swamps and mountains to make room for the temps or tar pits. I would also cut 2x Mirri the Cursed since they are legands and you cant play more then one if you keep drawing them. I would try some other black creature, maybe a simple Sengir Vampire or Royal Assassin.

[smasher]

I can't believe some of the cards people are suggesting. It's true the poster mentioned it being his first deck but I don't see any mention of this being a budget deck.

Dark rituals don't make since in a burn deck and accelerating into mirri the cursed is a waste of resources. The lotus bloom as a 1 of is rarely ever going to be in your opening hand to suspend it and have it hit play before the game is over. Even in the opening hand the lotus bloom is not very useful.

I'd get rid of all the cards that have choices associated with them as your opponent will always pick the option that least hinders there gameplan.

burn spells to consider over shock would be chain lightning, hellspark elemental, rift bolt, fireblast, price of progress.

Diabolic edict is a good choice over terminate.

Getting a vampiric and demonic tutor in the deck and possibly yawg will if you keep in the rituals will help.

bloodstained mire and polluted delta are better than teramorphic expanse and rocky tar pit.

wastelands, strip mine, sinkhole, even stone rain are all better than lava blister for land destruction.

Phyrexian negator, Hypnotic specter, plague sliver, tombstalker, and dark confidant are some examples of better creatures to try out.

Welcome to magic and good luck

[Mr. Fantastic]

EDITS:
-4 Book Burning
+4 Lava Blister
-3 Skullscorch
+1 Shock
+2 Ascenant Evincar

Admittedly, math is not my strong point but it seems to me that this latest update would take you up to 5 copies of Shock.  

Anyway, Ascendant Evincar is definitely not the way to go (far too slow a clock).  For 6 mana, you basically want to win the game right then and there.  And you especially don't want 4 copies of a 6 mana legend.  For 4 mana, you don't want a 3/2 flyer; you want a creature with 5 power and toughness like Plague Sliver or Phyrexian Scuta (or Juzam Djinn, if you are filthy rich).

If you can't afford Badlands, there are lots of relatively cheap mana fixers in the form of Urborg Volcano, Dragonskull Summit, Sulfurous Springs, et cetera.  Basic lands are not the way to go in a two color deck, though you could still run enough basics to not sweat Blood Moon effects.

I think Smasher gave extremely good advice with regards to spells.  I agree that Lava Blister is a joke.  It's not a good land destruction spell and it can't be used for creature removal as a burn spell.  Basically it's like a cheaper version of Lava Axe that won't even have a legal target half the time in a casual environment.  I'd run Incinerate or Chain Lightning over Shock, and Negators, Specters, and Plague Slivers/Phyrexian Scuta over Mirri and co.  Plus Chainer's Edict or Diabolic Edict over Terminate as a way of getting rid of shroud critters and pro-black/red junk.  Lastly, make room for 4 copies of Duress and maybe even Hymn to Tourach or Thoughtseize.

I guess I might as well venture a deck list.

Disruption/Control
4 Duress
4 Thoughtseize (maybe Hymn?)

Removal/Burn
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Diabolic Edict
4 Incinerate

Creatures
4 Hypnotic Specter
4 Phyrexian Negator
3 Plague Sliver

Other
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Demonic Consultation (definitely better than Vampiric Tutor in a deck like this)

Mana

4 Dark Ritual
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Blood Crypt
2 Graven Cairns
1 Mountain
6 Swamp

Sideboard

- Definitely Pyroblast/Red Elemental Blast and then maybe random haterade such as Dystopia.


A pretty rough design, but you get the gist.  You want disruption and removal backed by creatures with efficient casting-cost-to-power/toughness ratios.

You know what card might be fun in a casual deck like this?  Bosium Strip.  I've never tried it since it's so slow, but it could be cool in the late game, especially if you decide to go more controllish and include spells like Tainted Pact.

[joepapa]

BUMP!

editted with your cool ideas. especially urborg volcano. i almost screamed when i saw the price of badlands. wow.

[RecklessEmbermage]

Wrong forum?

[Djinn]

Could B/R beatdown ever be a tier deck?  This isn't to insult the OP, but I am deciding on a tier deck to build, and if this is one, it sure looks fun and could definitely be competitive.  Just trying to make up my mind.  Thanks! 

Also, to OP, how could you not include rack and ruin?  At least some copies in the sideboard if not maindeck.  Depending on your meta, I would main deck red elemental blast and/or pyroblast. 

[Djinn]

Also, price of progress seems like a must.

[joepapa]

i actually may run price of progress. what shoud i drop for it?

[DieSlow321]

Just thinking Blightning would work well in this setup as well.

I would agree with Hymn to Tourach as well.

Anathemancers are always fun little critters as well.

Good Luck

[Mr. Fantastic]

Could B/R beatdown ever be a tier deck? This isn't to insult the OP, but I am deciding on a tier deck to build, and if this is one, it sure looks fun and could definitely be competitive.  Just trying to make up my mind.  Thanks! 

I don't think RB is the way to go in a powered environment since you'd be holding a lot of useless removal spells too frequently and most creatures suggested in this thread are too slow. But mono black with lots of disruption has always done fairly well in control oriented environments.  This Smmenen article is definitely worth reading.

http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/vintage/16819_So_Many_Insane_Plays_Vintage_On_A_Budget_Suicide_Black_2K9.html

I'm not sure that red would improve such a deck.  I don't really follow competitive vintage enough to have an opinion anymore.

[majikal]

I like this burn deck.

1x Black Lotus
1x Mox Ruby
1x Lotus Petal
1x Wheel of Fortune
4x Black Vise
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Chain Lightning
4x Lava Spike
4x Rift Bolt
4x Price of Progress
4x Flame Rift
4x Fireblast
4x Magma Jet
4x Simian Spirit Guide
16x Mountain

Edit: Now that I think about it, Smash to Smithereens would be pretty saucy in here somewhere, maybe in place of Flame Rift?

[swawagon]

Simian Spirit Guide and Lotus Petal for the most part do not do damage and when the curve is so low that little burst of mana is not necessary. You will want stable Basic Mountains over onetime card disadvantage.

3-4 Smash to Smithereens is indeed pretty good here providing needed disruption and doing damage.

I think you have to splash Black for Dark Confidant and some Duress/Thoughtsieze as you have almost no disruption at all. Possibly even Blightning? Black also offers Diabolic Edict as fat creature (ie Tinkered in, or Workshop aggro) creature control.

If you run Black Vice I think you need Wastes and Strips, and possibly Null Rod, to hopefully keep cards stuck in their hands uncastable and adding to Vice damage.

Adding Fetchlands helps so you don't draw too many lands.

Browbeat refuels hands almost as well as Wheel of Fortune (or does damage) but doesn't give opponents a fresh mit. But again Dark Confidant draws cards and does damage better than either.

[JudasKilled]

The deck could be fun but ultimetly a competative winner, unlikely.  Reason number 1 little to no disruption, what do you do against turn 2-3 vault/key which is likely if they know your not gonna do anything to stop them.  Even an early tinker for inkwell yer screwd granted you have edict, but there likely going to be able to counter.

Now personally if I was gonna run b/r type deck.

Iwould run:
mana: 21
4 bloodstained mire
4 badlands
2 swamp
3 polluted delta
mox jet
mox ruby
strip mine
wasteland x4
lotus petal x1


1 Black Lotus

Tutors: 5
Vamp tutor x1
demonic tutor x1
imperial seal x1
demonic consult x1
Burning wish x1

Creatures: 13
BoB x4
Gorilla shaman x2
goblin welder x1
Magus of the moon x4
grim lavamancer x2


Discard: 6
Duress x4
Thoughtseize x2

Removal: 4
Edict x3
darkblast x1

Random: 6
Extirpate x1
Null rod x3
Rack or Ruin x2
red elemental blast x4

SB:
Wheel of fortune x1 (burning wish)
yawg will x1 (burning wish)
ingot chewer x3 ( tezz/shop)
chalice of the void x4 (storm and tezz)
yixid jailer x2
diabolic edict x1
darkblast x1
banefire x1 (wish)
damnation (wish/aggro)

[Beralt]

Judas,

Your deck seems fine but has a variety of dead cards vs many matchups, your Edicts are dead draws against Tez, TPS and Belcher.  Your REB's are dead draws against Ichorid, various GW, RG & GWB beatings decks and most Shops.  I feel wierd suggesting this but maybe a Goblin Lore to filter dead hands?  I don't really like Goblin Lore much but gives you some draw - Yawg will main wouldn't hurt either.

Sideboardwise I think Kaervek's Torch is better then Banefire, Misdirection is a commonly played card and it totally trumps Banefire.  While the Torch can easily fight thru Force of Wills and Mana Drains, few have an extra two mana floating about.

[JudasKilled]

I will agree there our dead cards.  Youll have dead cards with alot of decks, iscard againast dredgeg, useless.  Artifact hate against fish?  Useless.  Its irrelevant if you have have 4 dead cards such as REB against a non blue deck because 80% of the field runs blue.  I get your point but your always going to have dead cards or cards that may as well be.

Honestly I doubt B/R can be competetive ill play test it for kicks and see if I can come up with something playable.

And edict is great against tezz.....bob.....inkwell.....